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Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by HeavenFox »

SN76477 wrote: post #55
noduerme wrote: post #43

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I had no idea such laws existed. That's pretty crazy. But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. When I was a kid in America, my parents disallowed videogames in the house. No NES or Genesis for us. On the occasions I'd go over to other kids' houses and play, I had no idea what I was doing. On the one hand, this seemed…

I never understand to what end. Is it simply power? What is the point of it? You cannot crime or human behavior to misbehave. I wonder how long it will be until China's citizens start to crack under the pressure.

It is cultural.

In Confucianism, the relationship between a father and a son, a superior and their subordinate, a state and its citizen are considered equal. Therefore it is considered normal for the state to be paternalistic. Also, collective responsibility takes precedence over individual freedom. Each person is supposed to conform to its role in society. Children’s role is to study, rather than play video games all night.

Together, you get a video game ban, enforced by the full power of the state.

Until a few years ago, video game consoles are banned in China for the exact same reason.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by Causality1 »

gruez wrote: post #6
im3w1l wrote: post #5

Microsofts decision to require cameras in windows 11 will enable initiatives like this.

>Microsofts decision to require cameras in windows 11 except it's laptop only and only applies to systems sold by OEMs. Speaking of which, when was the last time you saw a laptop that didn't have a webcam? Laptops were pretty common even on low-mid tier laptops from the early 00s. For fun let's also exclude the niche laptops like pinebook or what have you, because I doubt buyers of those laptops need the OEM to pre-i…

What about boutique vendors?

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by lmm »

gruez wrote: post #27
lmm wrote: post #21

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Is it really? If I visited a traditional physical shop, I'd expect the staff to be able to recognise my face, but I probably wouldn't want them to know my credit card number.

>I'd expect the staff to be able to recognise my face Right, but that ability is limited to them. If I want to opt out of the tracking, all I have to do is shop at another store, or wait until they forget. Worst case I can flee to another town. On the other hand the tencent surveillance botnet is (or will be) omnipresent. You won't be able to avoid it because they'll have cameras everywhere. >but I probably wouldn't…

> If I want to opt out of the tracking, all I have to do is shop at another store

Until recently it was quite normal that stores wouldn't let you in if you were covering your face.

> Maybe not at a store, but handing your credit card to the waiter at a restaurant is still pretty common.

WTF? Not where I live it isn't. Even pre-Corona people knew not to let someone else touch your card.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by CryptoPunk »

rowanG077 wrote: post #49
CryptoPunk wrote: post #18

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If people only want to produce games that require giving up your privacy to play, then you have to make a choice between giving up games, or giving up privacy. Ultimately those are the only choices available to you that don't involve bending peaceful people to your will under pain of imprisonment. Perhaps a third choice, that also doesn't require resorting interfering with other people's private choices, with legal t…

I'd be fine if the government would use their "monopoly on violence" to ensure companies don't step so far out of line. That's basically one of the central reasons governments exist.

Governments exist to provide public goods. One such public good is protecting private citizens from having their rights violated by other parties, through a national defense system and a justice system.

A collection of people not providing you with games on your terms is not a violation of your rights. You siccing the government on them is a violation of their right to choose for themselves what to work on and on what terms to offer it for sale.

In the admittedly mainstream approach you endorse, the government is acting in contravention of its benevolent purpose, something Frédéric Bastiat wrote about at length 170 years ago:

https://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basLaw.html?chapter_...

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by dang »

test_epsilon wrote: post #29
gruez wrote: post #9

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Tencent: "show me your face or I won't let you pay my game", me: "fine I won't play your game then" Government: "show me your face or else[1]", me: "r-right away sir" [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence

"Let me monitor and censor your private speech otherwise you won't be able to communicate with your friends and family on our platform they all use." The apologetics for corporate-government fascism digust me. No, it's not okay for the ruling class to contract out their oppression to corporations any more than it is for them to use the government for that purpose.

Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. It makes discussions tedious and nasty, as below. We're trying for something quite different here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by dang »

gruez wrote: post #48
test_epsilon wrote: post #29

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"Let me monitor and censor your private speech otherwise you won't be able to communicate with your friends and family on our platform they all use." The apologetics for corporate-government fascism digust me. No, it's not okay for the ruling class to contract out their oppression to corporations any more than it is for them to use the government for that purpose.

> "Let me monitor and censor your private speech otherwise you won't be able to communicate with your friends and family on our platform they all use." I might be out of the loop, but are the platforms canceling people for their private speech? That's news to me. >The apologetics for corporate-government fascism digust me I find it disgusting that you're comparing the plight of people having to live in fear of death…

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar or cross into personal attacks, no matter how wrong someone else is or you feel they are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by jbluepolarbear »

HeavenFox wrote: post #61
SN76477 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understand to what end. Is it simply power? What is the point of it? You cannot crime or human behavior to misbehave. I wonder how long it will be until China's citizens start to crack under the pressure.

It is cultural. In Confucianism, the relationship between a father and a son, a superior and their subordinate, a state and its citizen are considered equal. Therefore it is considered normal for the state to be paternalistic. Also, collective responsibility takes precedence over individual freedom. Each person is supposed to conform to its role in society. Children’s role is to study, rather than play video games al…

What do they do to people that can’t conform?

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by fridif »

ashleyn wrote: post #57
perihelions wrote: post #31

This is I believe the first time in human history that AI video cameras have been widely deployed, inside private homes, for the purpose of enforcing laws. Never mind the banal details: this is an incredible milestone.

The real clever kids will eventually realise you can just tape a post-it note to your head with "ADULT" written in sharpie.

draw on a fake beard

ERROR: CANNOT BEGIN PLAY SESSION UNTIL PLAYER SHAVES FACE

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by toomuchtodo »

jbluepolarbear wrote: post #67
HeavenFox wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is cultural. In Confucianism, the relationship between a father and a son, a superior and their subordinate, a state and its citizen are considered equal. Therefore it is considered normal for the state to be paternalistic. Also, collective responsibility takes precedence over individual freedom. Each person is supposed to conform to its role in society. Children’s role is to study, rather than play video games al…

What do they do to people that can’t conform?

Re-educate.
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