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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by Aerroon » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:07 PM UTC

clydethefrog wrote: post #119

josephcsible wrote: post #35

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> South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I'm disappointed but not surprised that China makes rules like this, but I always thought South Korea was basically a free country and never expected this sort of rule from them.

South Korea was ruled by military rule until the mid 90s. Now instead of military leaders it's ruled by the chaebols, the large industrial conglomerates.

Don't forget the literal cult a few years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_South_Korean_political_sc...

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by sudosysgen » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:07 PM UTC

antihero wrote: post #270

rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

Man that fucking sucks. I spent far more time than that playing CS1.6 as a kid, I turned out fine. I would be absolutely livid if my government tried to tell me how much time I could spend doing what I wanted, and remember distinctly being conscious of making those decisions for myself from at least 12+ (lying a lot because of the amount of services that made me say I was over 13).

On the upside, kids are going to start playing CS 1.6 since it doesn't have this DRM instead of slot machine simulators.

As a kid my school's DRM prevented more modern, online games so we played a cracked version to CS 1.6 over the local network, it was loads of fun.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by Aerroon » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:08 PM UTC

lasagnaphil wrote: post #250

josephcsible wrote: post #35

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> South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I'm disappointed but not surprised that China makes rules like this, but I always thought South Korea was basically a free country and never expected this sort of rule from them.

As a South Korean, I can confidently say that nobody actually gives a shit about these rules, there are too many ways to circumvent around it, and as a result people don't think they're that "oppressed" from it. (Read my parent comment about getting around gaming restrictions)

That's a problem though. Rules that don't get enforced (or can't be) can then be abused to target anyone those in power don't like. Their very existence itself is an affront to freedom.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by herbst » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:08 PM UTC

ezoe wrote: post #115

perihelions wrote: post #31

This is I believe the first time in human history that AI video cameras have been widely deployed, inside private homes, for the purpose of enforcing laws. Never mind the banal details: this is an incredible milestone.

Not inside the private homes, but in 2008, Tabaco vending machines with facial recognition feature to verify the age(20+ years old) are deployed in Japan. The result was amusing. It was busted by picture of adult face, or by kids moving facial muscles.

They did that to verify your age to buy cigarettes on a vending machine a short amount of time in Austria. Obviously everyone was tricking it with paper masks.

Today they use banking cards, which still work for age verification after they expired so they are just shared between the youngsters

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:13 PM UTC

anonymouszx wrote: post #272

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by watwut » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:14 PM UTC

softwaredoug wrote: post #37

Obviously there’s cultural factors at play, I just wonder whether strategically it’s wise to teach kids externally imposed restrictions rather than learning to restrict themselves intrinsically because something else is worth doing? It’s kind of the metaphor of the kid with the very strict upbringing that has no self control when they move away from their family.

> whether strategically it’s wise to teach kids externally imposed restrictions rather than learning to restrict themselves intrinsically because something else is worth doing?

Judging from observing my peers, extrisinc worked better in long term. With few exceptions, those whose parents did not restricted gaming just continued to play really a lot. Those whose parents did were more likely to discover something else to do.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by herbst » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:14 PM UTC

adflux wrote: post #120

saithound wrote: post #113

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> But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. The Chinese government is worse than most others, but not for this reason. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children. This is no different. In Germany, the government does not trust pare…

>. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children No, they objectively don't, wtf. Stop normalizing this kind of behavior

It's not to wrong tho. In many western countries you can not take your children of school. Or even have no real choice which school they may visit (if you can't pay for a private one that is) if you do not agree with your local schooling system that appears tyrannic in a way.

I am sure I can't find other examples. Not saying what china does is right, but we obviously haven't mastered raising children either.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by sudosysgen » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:15 PM UTC

w0de0 wrote: post #190

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #176

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We in "the west" can't claim moral superiority unfortunately, we live in surveillance states ourselves and a ton of laws limiting freedom and removing privacy are made with the intent to "protect children" (and fight terrorism), both of which you can't morally object against. Children are sacred, terrorists are outlaws.

We absolutely can claim moral superiority, while being open to a critique of our hypocrisy - and to changing our ways based on this critique. To do otherwise than seek and claim moral superiority would be to concede to grim relativism; it would be to discard what progress we have made and what rights we still maintain; it would be to abandon an ideal that can yet still lead us to a better world. Lincoln wrote, in ref…

The argument basically boils down to the conclusion that we must keep our superiority complex to keep us sane. I'd rather have a correct assessment of myself.

The hypocrisy Lincoln is talking about didn't lead his nation to emancipation, they delayed emancipation by over a hundred years. Emancipation was going to happen much earlier otherwise.

There is no claim to moral superiority here. I live in the west and I guarantee you the government has facial recognition trained on me, access to public camera and to my phones' camera any time they please, and access to my voice prints. So I don't see why I should feel superior. I don't like lying to myself.

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Post by yissp » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:16 PM UTC

shard wrote: post #198

pjc50 wrote: post #189

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Expected socially, not mandated. You're not mandated to drink alcohol either. It's also a top public spending priority: https://www.athleticbusiness.com/college/the-highest-paid-pu...

Hmm, I went through the American educational system from elementary through grad school, and I never felt any social expectation to learn football, either the rules or how to actual play. Maybe it's a costal city versus middle America thing? (I grew up in NY and went to California for post secondary education)

It most definitely is. Football was pretty much a religion in Ohio.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by calsy » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:16 PM UTC

curiousgal wrote: post #285

saithound wrote: post #113

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> But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. The Chinese government is worse than most others, but not for this reason. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children. This is no different. In Germany, the government does not trust pare…

I'm always surprised how people in the US immediately lose their shit at the sight of a child locked in a car. Like yes it is dangerous but it does not automatically make the parent the most horrible person to ever exist. https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/a22724843/ki...

The idea of an unsupervised child being being cooked in a car as hot as an oven is unsettling to most. Doesn't take long for a child to succumb to the heat.

Only couple of months ago in my area a mum had left a 3 year old and baby in the car, walked into her house and fell asleep for an hour. She woke up, realised what happened, ran to the car and the kids were dead. Another more recent incident occurred where a child was left in a day care bus unknowingly by the driver. He did not inspect the seats prior to locking up the bus outside in the sun. The child was found dead when he got back in the bus that afternoon.