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European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lol. These "old wealthy families" caused the "migrant crisis"
Because they needed cheap labour. Now they're scared this cheap labor will get out of their control.
It already has gotten out of control, hundreds of thousands of people crossed the borders without any checks. There was also this bizarre case of a man now pre-crime style accused of terrorism, although the charges seem very questionable when you look into it:
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210525-german-soldie...
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#163This reads like a hoax. Do we have other sources on it?
It does read extremely one-sided, as you’d expect from the pp.
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#164Well bye bye European tech industry. Why the hell would anyone want to do business with such a risk in place?
It's not like the EU so far has been home to a significant tech industry anyway.
With GDPR, a notoriously convoluted set of rules and regulations that fails to achieve what it set out to, yet at the same time pesters SMEs while allowing large corporations with legal departments to continue to do as they please in terms of privacy, the EU has made sure it stays that way.
Laws like this one are just the icing on the cake that is the fundamental misunderstanding by most MEPs of how technology and the technology business works, not to mention the very real downsides such laws have regarding privacy.
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#165Does anyone have a link to details about who voted how?
I'm looking as well, so far have only found https://www.europarl.europa.eu/sed/doc/votingList/(A9-0258_2... which doesn't say much.
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#166Do they want everyone to switch en masse to end-to-end encrypted communications? Because this is how you encourage that.
Doesn't help if you don't control the ends of the end-to-end part. We don't control iOS nor Android on most devices. In general this holds: There's no privacy on the internet.
If you care about it, switch to Librem 5 or Pinephone.
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#167Are there any primary sources for this? I'm having trouble finding anything talking about any final legislative action involving chat control/ePrivacy etc. that isn't this random pirate party blog.
https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-platform...
This is a much better source of information than the headline link. It describes how this came about, what its limitations are and just gives a whole lot more context.
Of course it fails to advocate - which itself may have become a vice.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
While true, an adversarial government can pass new laws to restrict access or installation of software it deems dangerous. Politicians, uh, find a way.
In the US, forcibly including certain code in your program would be a 1st amendment violation.
I can envision all sorts of workarounds to this constitutional issue. And, Congress does this sort of thing all the time.
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
More end to end encryption use only means more laws banning encryption faster. Or do you really think that when for example DoH gains wider adoption all the countries using DNS based blocking will go "Oh well guess the techies got us".
The world has a poor history on banning the application of math.
laughs in Mandarin
Well, I shouldn’t do that. Suffice to say, it’s simply a fact that China bans VPNs, and pretty much everyone goes along with it. People fear jail.
It’s hard (but not impossible) to imagine Europe and the US doing that. NordVPN is practically a household name, at least on YouTube.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
You think Europe will allow end-to-end for much longer?
Yes. Saying otherwise is hyperbolic. The European Commission uses and recommends Signal themselves. https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observato...
> ...has already announced a follow-up regulation to make chat control mandatory for all email and messaging providers. Previously secure end-to-end encrypted messenger services such as Whatsapp or Signal would be forced to install a backdoor.
It's easy to recommend "end-to-end" when you're about to force a backdoor into it.