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It mentions in the article that even apps like Signal would have to install backdoors that they can use.
That can't happen with open-source, whether it's "free" or not.
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Whatsapp is end to end encrypted.
The backups aren't. Same with iMessage. end-to-end has become a marketing buzzword, any large scale deployment gets backdoored (via either key or plaintext escrow) at the endpoints, to FISA/PRISM providers who have to turn it over to the state without a warrant. China has the same setup with providers in their country. WhatsApp and iMessage simply aren't private when the providers get ~100% of the plaintext transitin…
Messages in iCloud is off by default AFAIK.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
You think Europe will allow end-to-end for much longer?
Yes. Saying otherwise is hyperbolic. The European Commission uses and recommends Signal themselves. https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observato...
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#114this is the only place where this can be found. Would love to know more from someone perhaps a little bit less involved.
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That can't happen with open-source, whether it's "free" or not.
While true, an adversarial government can pass new laws to restrict access or installation of software it deems dangerous. Politicians, uh, find a way.
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#117You do have to wonder about the long term stability of a nominal democracy where 72% of citizens oppose digital monitoring, while 77% of their representatives vote for laws they emphatically do not want. Put more bluntly, is this even a democracy in anything other than the trappings?
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So what do we do?
Use GPG. Don't use smartphones, don't use any closed software (especially non-free OSes.) Vote.
The first thing that the digital revolution should have fixed was our variously flawed democratic systems. It might be the last thing.
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EU gets a lot of stick but deep below, the boring stuff keeps it together. Brexit showed just the enormous depth of high quality glue keeping all remaining countries together. So I don’t think the EU will be collapsing any time soon, certainly not for rational reasons.
You are right, the Stasi would be so proud of what Europe is about to become.
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> For Chat tg/signal seem like they would but I am less sure what the best option is for email. Something that doesn't store the chats in a decryptable form on their servers is probably preferrable. So Telegram out and Signal, Threema or WhatsApp in.
Telegram supports E2E encrypted secret chats. https://telegram.org/faq#q-how-are-secret-chats-different