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European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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It mentions in the article that even apps like Signal would have to install backdoors that they can use.

That can't happen with open-source, whether it's "free" or not.

That's absolutely not true, since Google is now signing app distributions and can easily swap them out. Additionally, there's no guarantee that Signal is shipping the same code to the app stores.

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Whatsapp is end to end encrypted.

The backups aren't. Same with iMessage. end-to-end has become a marketing buzzword, any large scale deployment gets backdoored (via either key or plaintext escrow) at the endpoints, to FISA/PRISM providers who have to turn it over to the state without a warrant. China has the same setup with providers in their country. WhatsApp and iMessage simply aren't private when the providers get ~100% of the plaintext transitin…

> [...] as thanks to "Messages in iCloud" (cross-device sync) being on by default [...]

Messages in iCloud is off by default AFAIK.

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You think Europe will allow end-to-end for much longer?

Yes. Saying otherwise is hyperbolic. The European Commission uses and recommends Signal themselves. https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observato...

In recent months they also promised to strengthen law and access to privacy and anonymity, make it a human right. Talk is cheap.

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this is the only place where this can be found. Would love to know more from someone perhaps a little bit less involved.

I've just found another source corroborating this: https://www.euractiv.com/section/data-protection/news/new-eu...

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So what do we do?

Use GPG. Don't use smartphones, don't use any closed software (especially non-free OSes.) Vote.

99% of people don't care enough to do any of these things.

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That can't happen with open-source, whether it's "free" or not.

While true, an adversarial government can pass new laws to restrict access or installation of software it deems dangerous. Politicians, uh, find a way.

In the US, forcibly including certain code in your program would be a 1st amendment violation.

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You do have to wonder about the long term stability of a nominal democracy where 72% of citizens oppose digital monitoring, while 77% of their representatives vote for laws they emphatically do not want. Put more bluntly, is this even a democracy in anything other than the trappings?

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So what do we do?

Use GPG. Don't use smartphones, don't use any closed software (especially non-free OSes.) Vote.

With so many places in the world with flawed democracy by first past the post, it seems like voting is more or less irrelevant.

The first thing that the digital revolution should have fixed was our variously flawed democratic systems. It might be the last thing.

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EU gets a lot of stick but deep below, the boring stuff keeps it together. Brexit showed just the enormous depth of high quality glue keeping all remaining countries together. So I don’t think the EU will be collapsing any time soon, certainly not for rational reasons.

You are right, the Stasi would be so proud of what Europe is about to become.

I’m not saying this is a good idea, only that it’s not in the brink of falling apart. And I reckon this is the last thing that would break it. Farming subsidies or carbon credits if anything. Again, the boring stuff.

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> For Chat tg/signal seem like they would but I am less sure what the best option is for email. Something that doesn't store the chats in a decryptable form on their servers is probably preferrable. So Telegram out and Signal, Threema or WhatsApp in.

Telegram supports E2E encrypted secret chats. https://telegram.org/faq#q-how-are-secret-chats-different

Which noone uses. Even Facebook Messenger supports "secret chats". Telegram is not secure.
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