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European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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#81

I wonder how this meshes with GDPR as this seems like a huge violation of it. Law enforcement being able to dig into messages with a warrant is one thing, but delegating responsibilities to platforms to look for crime is quite another.

Which part of GDPR does it violate?

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

#82

I find it interesting that "derogation" (my new word for the day) means both: * the act of officially stating that a law or rule no longer needs to be obeyed, and * the act of talking about or treating someone in a way that shows you do not respect him, her, or it, according to [0]. If the shoe fits, I guess? --- [0]: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/derog...

It is also:

> special permission not to obey a rule, law, etc.:

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

#83

Something I'm wondering is how this will affect Europe's ability to attract and retain top tier talent. Europe already seems to be losing to the US. Will this accelerate this brain drain or slow it? [0] [0] https://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/tech-careers/the-global-br...

The same law already exists in US and Australia

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#85
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what do we do?

It will probably take another World War before people collectively remember why privacy even existed in the first place.

It’s a bit early to give up already.

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

#86

I wonder how this meshes with GDPR as this seems like a huge violation of it. Law enforcement being able to dig into messages with a warrant is one thing, but delegating responsibilities to platforms to look for crime is quite another.

1. this seems to be misinformation, the author is the only source on the topic

2. it would probably be compatible with GDPR anyway. GDPR article 6, paragraph 1: "Processing shall be lawful only if and to the extent that at least one of the following applies [...] (c) processing is necessary for compliance with a legal obligation to which the controller is subject"

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#87

Maybe brexit has it right - Europe isn't a good place to be a member of.

For everything the EU does that's unpleasant, the UK government tends to have a more unpleasant version they are eager to deploy against their own people, and now they can due to Brexit.

Of course that's not how they portray it, but doublespeak has been strong around Brexit and still is.

It never made much sense to Brexit if you were in the UK and favoured personal, family or human rights. Including rights like privacy and a protected private life, and freedom to make open source software (EU is against software patents, UK is not).

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

#88
post #6

Do they want everyone to switch en masse to end-to-end encrypted communications? Because this is how you encourage that.

If I hand something in plaintext to another private party, I already assumed they are legally within their rights to read it. It's on me to encrypt if I don't want it read.

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

#89
post #52

Warning - this is a work of fiction, or satire. Mods - perhaps you want to adjust the title.

Sadly I believe this is legit. Here's a better* source https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-platform... *This source at least explains the other side of the issue.

It should be noted that this allows for the continuation of voluntary scanning and reporting to CSAM that some companies do for all messages that goes via their platforms.

This is also a temporary legislation that will be in place until a long term legislation is in place.

Regardless of that I do think this legislation is bad.

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

#90
post #6

Do they want everyone to switch en masse to end-to-end encrypted communications? Because this is how you encourage that.

More end to end encryption use only means more laws banning encryption faster.

Or do you really think that when for example DoH gains wider adoption all the countries using DNS based blocking will go "Oh well guess the techies got us".

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