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European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Seems like the same legal body that made these laws would outlaw that activity.

Yeah, but how sustainable is the EU really, in the long term? I’m still convinced it will either dissolve or devolve into a rump organization within my lifetime.

Well, I'm assuming that's one of the things that total pervasive surveillance and control of communication is meant to address.

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like the same legal body that made these laws would outlaw that activity.

Yeah, but how sustainable is the EU really, in the long term? I’m still convinced it will either dissolve or devolve into a rump organization within my lifetime.

EU gets a lot of stick but deep below, the boring stuff keeps it together.

Brexit showed just the enormous depth of high quality glue keeping all remaining countries together.

So I don’t think the EU will be collapsing any time soon, certainly not for rational reasons.

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Would any email provider protect me from this, get my emails actually delivered and ideally work with my own domain? Not that I see myself switching after 15 years and 6 Gmail accounts but if I am to I'd rather know who I'd use. And no I won't risk setting it up myself and risk missing on some portion of my emails like I've had happen at workplaces before we'd sigh and switch to Google. For Chat tg/signal seem like t…

The problem with email is that it’s federated; any email is as secure as the least secure mail server it’s being sent from or two. Even if you use something super duper secure in a polity that respects privacy, it does you no good if you send an email to Gmail who immediately hands it over to one or more government bodies.

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Do they want everyone to switch en masse to end-to-end encrypted communications? Because this is how you encourage that.

It mentions in the article that even apps like Signal would have to install backdoors that they can use.

Crypto is just about worthless without personal computing.

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Would any email provider protect me from this, get my emails actually delivered and ideally work with my own domain? Not that I see myself switching after 15 years and 6 Gmail accounts but if I am to I'd rather know who I'd use. And no I won't risk setting it up myself and risk missing on some portion of my emails like I've had happen at workplaces before we'd sigh and switch to Google. For Chat tg/signal seem like t…

If you want your email reliably encrypted, encrypt it yourself. GPG works the same regardless of the provider.

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Do they want everyone to switch en masse to end-to-end encrypted communications? Because this is how you encourage that.

It mentions in the article that even apps like Signal would have to install backdoors that they can use.

That can't happen with open-source, whether it's "free" or not.

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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>Previously secure end-to-end encrypted messenger services such as Whatsapp or Signal would be forced to install a backdoor. Isn’t Signal FOSS? I don’t know how they’d police that when everyone can just fork it and remove the back door. Also don’t VPNs circumvent this legislation as well? How will they police self-hosted email servers? I know the response to these questions is usually “You’re right, this is what happ…

> Isn’t Signal FOSS? I don’t know how they’d police that when everyone can just fork it and remove the back door.

If the goal is large scale surveillance, it can be combatted fairly effectively as has been shown with e.g. kino.to and other streaming sites which have gone practivally extinct. The same would happen to websites hosting illegal apps.

If the goal is to go after real criminals this is of course useless. But EncroChat [1] has shown that at least large parts of the criminal world don't seem to have great operation security practices.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EncroChat

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