The critical info we are still missing: Effectiveness against long Covid.
Considering long Covid hasn’t actually been clinically defined, that’s not going to happen any time soon.
Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
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Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't disagree with that view, but it's really hard to find positives from the rise of Covid. Everyday life was effectively mutilated for more than a year, we might have to coexist forever with an infectious disease that can debilitate us even after getting "vaccinated", and most of the Western ruling classes were revealed as incompetent buffoons just "winging it" from day to day. On the other hand, we can now miti…
Sars-cov-2 is an easy virus. We still can't create a vaccine against HIV (but we have some ideas).
The mRNA vaccines didn't spring up out of nowhere, they are the culmination of ~20 years of research into mRNA vaccines.
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s confirming data published by UK health authorities coming to the same conclusion. If you’re 2x vaccinated, hospitalization is highly unlikely for Alpha and Delta variants. See this report, page 44 bottom: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
What's going on on page 12? 35,251 unvax cases, 34 deaths 4,087 full vax cases, 26 deaths (!?) I'm guessing the vax population still skews older?
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
Very odd, especially given the much higher numbers of unvaccinated hospitalizations.
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#104Buried the lede: > At the same time, protection against hospitalization and serious illness remained strong. I.e., Delta is more likely to get you sick, but you’ll still turn out fine.
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then turn off the news. You need to look for actual signals such as availability of emergency services. Hospital capacity.
Is it feasible to “turn off the news” in 2021? I’m not so sure.
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#106I'm so exhausted and demoralised by this endless cascade of things-getting-worse. It's taking a really big toll on my mental health and there's no resources available in my country to offer support (and there's nothing to be done except try to learn to live with it, anyways). The future looks bleak.
Consider the big picture. Life is suffering with sparse sprinkles of happiness here and there. If you feel bad take a page from Budism, it's the best religion for your mind, and I am an avid agnostic. It's the "No bullshit" religion, basically it's your problem, fix it or learn to live with it. It teaches you to embrace suffering as part of living, everything is for you to endure, consider how to solve (or not) and g…
- Famine in Yemen. Ongoing.
- Famine in South Sudan. Ongoing.
- Two years of drought in certain countries would push the world into global famine. Climate change weather patterns like Oregon/Canada and the ongoing mega drought in the US west and SW are just previews.
- Millions and millions of homeless in America. I can see the camps and tents in every major city.
- Standard of living decreasing. Real wages declining.
- Mass shootings every day.
- More prisoners per capita than any other country.
- Doing absolutely nothing effective about climate change... which is going to kill us, most species, and the planet.
- The threat of global nuclear war over Taiwan is very, very real.
- Healthcare costs soaring, life expectancies plummeting.
- There is no democracy, it's a plutocracy. The very rich own the majority of Western countries outright.
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't this exactly what we would expect? It's more or less similar to what probably happened with the flu in 1920. New flu variants were still popping up, but they weren't like the 1918-1919 type, and the mortality rate was much lower. Plus, I recall being told before the vaccines showed up that they would be better at reducing mortality than at eliminating getting sick at all. Now, if you thought you were going to j…
Ironically in NZ they have nether vaccine nor any remaining covid. Because they solved it as a community. Instead we created a global persistent pandemic. Cool.
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#108Probably we shall take into account, that journalist like to spread bad news! Looking back at the previous variants, the vaccines keep working. This is good news! What will bring is into trouble are non vaccinated people which build a big resource pool for Covid-19 to become more aggressive. Lockdowns, removal of rights or masks cannot eliminate Covid-19 (so called short term workarounds) but the vaccines can make it…
Have the vaccines shown to prevent infection and transmission, or only reducing the chances of getting sick? If not the case, will variants still develop among a mostly vaccinated population?
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#109I realize the article is specifically about the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the delta variant, but even in more general articles about immunity, 'natural immunity' is left out of the conversation[1]. You can carry your COVID test paperwork and latest antibody test to show you are equally, if not better protected, however, it strangely is ignored. Or, a study by a vaccine producer (NOVAX), comes up with evidence that…
Can you also cite a source for this claim please?
Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unlike New Zealand, most countries don’t think indefinite draconian restrictions on travel and ever-present risk of being locked down with little notice are an acceptable price to pay for a small increase in life expectancy. I share that viewpoint, and am very happy not to live in New Zealand.
Describing the covid pandemic as simply a small decrease in life expectancy is a little on the nose. Also, as a vaccinated New Zealander who after spending 5 months at home is now traveling again, I can assure you people there are happy and mostly oblivious to what has gone on overseas. The travel restrictions whilst draconian, aren’t absolute and are being eased when needed. The travel bubble with Australia being a…
Very few travel restrictions, mostly in spring 2020, just do your part and do the right choices in ie hygiene and travel destinations.