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San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by josephcsible »

pas wrote: post #128
war1025 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have the link handy, but I remember seeing something on Twitter a couple weeks back where a news site published something like, "The video of a man looting a store while police watch in San Francisco has gone viral, but is it really a problem?" The comments basically pointed out that if people aren't being punished for a crime, then police reports don't get written because why bother, and then some politician…

Police reports still should be written when the victim reports the crime, right?

People often won't bother to report a crime if they know there's zero chance anything will happen.

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by josephcsible »

Ymous wrote: post #126
PakistaniDenzel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Singapore

While I think SF (and most of the West) has us beat in terms of clickbait headlines, it still exists. I found these two today while scrolling through our main tabloid site. https://mothership.sg/2021/07/lgbtq-instagram-live-knife-vio... https://mothership.sg/2021/07/return-tray-fine-commentary/

Your first link is about someone just making a threatening video. Your second link is about a new fine for not returning plates, silverware, etc. to restaurants. Neither one of those are even remotely similar to someone intentionally lighting another person on fire.

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by josephcsible »

pas wrote: post #130
lokar wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: using the sidewalk as a toilet. There is often no public restroom available for the homeless to use. They have no choice.

Do they go to find a bush/tree at least?

No, they don't.

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by josephcsible »

xref wrote: post #127
daxuak wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem here might be that property crimes in SF is being under-reported.

Under-reported in a way that couldn’t also be happening in Paris or London?

Crimes are less likely to be reported in places where reporting them doesn't accomplish anything useful.

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by josephcsible »

pas wrote: post #129
b9a2cab5 wrote: post #2

Prop 47 and SF's "criminals are oppressed by society" approach to crime are to blame here. You can't get the grunts to roll on the bosses if all you can charge them with is a misdemeanor, and you can't get police to even arrest thieves if the DA refuses to prosecute. This doesn't happen in other big cities like NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc.

Why does the DA refuse to prosecute? Prop 47 or not misdemeanors can easily earn a 6 month incarceration in case of a repeat offender. So these while obviously related it doesn't seem that Prop 47 is the big bad wolf here.

> Why does the DA refuse to prosecute?

Because he is extremely pro-criminal. This is why there's a recall campaign against him.

> it doesn't seem that Prop 47 is the big bad wolf here.

I agree that Chesa is a much bigger problem, but Prop 47 is still a problem too.

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by GaryTang »

clarkmoody wrote: post #6

The basic premise of the state is that it exists to protect life & property. The past 18 months have shown that the state will do neither if it doesn't feel like it. But you had better keep paying those taxes, because reasons.

Which is ironic because high tax rates are likely the true culprit for high crime rates.

https://www.newsoptimist.ca/opinion/columnists/how-high-taxe...

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by GaryTang »

Ymous wrote: post #126
PakistaniDenzel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Singapore

While I think SF (and most of the West) has us beat in terms of clickbait headlines, it still exists. I found these two today while scrolling through our main tabloid site. https://mothership.sg/2021/07/lgbtq-instagram-live-knife-vio... https://mothership.sg/2021/07/return-tray-fine-commentary/

I don't understand how you can compare someone being lit on fire to someone being fined for not returning a tray or someone carrying a knife in public.

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by GaryTang »

rich_sasha wrote: post #10

Non-American resident: what’s going on in SF? Is the crime rate really so high, and racing up? And if so, why?

High taxes and burdensome regulations. They lower the number of available jobs and lower the ability for individuals to start a business.

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by dragonwriter »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #120
adjkant wrote: post #116

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There's plenty of nuance here, but I must say I am a bit surprised "the tech industry was a contributing factor to SF's decline" needs to be explained in this much detail. With that said, a few points: 1. As you said yourself, no city was a paradise in the 80's in the US for many reasons, and SF, regardless of a massive tech influx, would have risen with the same tide many other cities experienced from the 80's to no…

There are good points here. But San Francisco is woefully less dense than most major cities on this planet, including those like Tokyo which are subject to earthquakes. Blaming anything other than NIMBYism is a red herring. Tech is the proximate, not ultimate, explanation foe the problem. The bed was laid by San Francisco’s housing policy. At the end of the day, most other cities and polities would have turned a mass…

> But San Francisco is woefully less dense than most major cities on this planet, including those like Tokyo which are subject to earthquakes.

San Francisco is denser than Tokyo by about 2,000 people/mi.² (now, whether it is fair to compare tiny—both in geography and population, for a “major city”—SF to massive Tokyo—where the “city proper” by UN terms is roughly twice the population of the 9-county bay area—is another question.)

San Francisco isn't a major city except in the sense of GDP. Which makes it more impressive that it is a major city considering economic footprint, but makes attempts to compare it to cities that are among the world’s largest urban centers kind of ridiculous.

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by xref »

josephcsible wrote: post #134
xref wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under-reported in a way that couldn’t also be happening in Paris or London?

Crimes are less likely to be reported in places where reporting them doesn't accomplish anything useful.

Same question, we know this cannot be happening in London and Paris?
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