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Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by deadbolt »

FreeSpeech wrote: post #17
b9a2cab5 wrote: post #2

Prop 47 and SF's "criminals are oppressed by society" approach to crime are to blame here. You can't get the grunts to roll on the bosses if all you can charge them with is a misdemeanor, and you can't get police to even arrest thieves if the DA refuses to prosecute. This doesn't happen in other big cities like NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc.

It's unbelievable the amount of depravity a single DA can inflict. An unprecedented number of companies and workers are fleeing the city. San Francisco is set to become the next Detroit. What's your exit plan?

I already live in Detroit, it kicks ass.

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Post by pandaman »

mcguire wrote: post #84
BitwiseFool wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is a really broad, and hopefully neutral, take on the subject. There is now a popular movement in America that believes the Justice System is too harsh, especially on minor crimes. This is also coupled with the perception that police officers are prone to using force when it is unnecessary, and, that they use deadly force way too often and haphazardly. There is also a huge racial component to all of this, which…

This trend has been going on for much longer than that. I've been hearing complaints all of that behavior for years. About 20 years ago, I had an RV broken into in Austin, Texas. When I reported it, the police offered a case number for insurance purposes but no investigation.

Sure, police have only done the CSI "The fiber analysis shows that perp had been wearing a baseball cap sold only as a promotional item at Target and there is pollen from an orchid that grows only in Bahamas, so let's cross check all the Target's customers from that time with the tickets to Bahamas, meanwhile I will call the judge for the warrant for our newspaper thief!" on TV, they probably only do this for high profile murders or $100K+ heists in real life so nobody is going to investigate who broke into your RV past asking any potential witness if available.

Showing up to the crime in progress and stopping it is different. It used to happen quite regularly even in California.

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Post by AlexCoventry »

oneplane wrote: post #68
hallway_monitor wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This honestly blows my mind. So SF is basically a third world country now?

Isn't that most of the densely populated city in the US in general? Fear, weapons and violence as soon as it gets dense. Every large/chain business comes with lots of armed protection. I haven't travelled to all the cities in the entire US, but whenever you enter/exit such areas is seems very distinct.

I've personally witnessed more violent crime in approximately two month's total presence in SF over the last seven years than I have in a total of 14 years living in Boston. Maybe I'm an outlier, though.

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Post by Ymous »

PakistaniDenzel wrote: post #29
SavantIdiot wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me what city you're from and I find a scary headline. Be honest.

Singapore

While I think SF (and most of the West) has us beat in terms of clickbait headlines, it still exists. I found these two today while scrolling through our main tabloid site.

https://mothership.sg/2021/07/lgbtq-instagram-live-knife-vio...

https://mothership.sg/2021/07/return-tray-fine-commentary/

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by xref »

daxuak wrote: post #94
mcguire wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "data" I found ( https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Fra... ) seems to suggest it's similar to Paris and London, but I can't find hard numbers like: Sam Francisco Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): Violent 6.91, property 56.73, total 63.64. ( https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime )

The problem here might be that property crimes in SF is being under-reported.

Under-reported in a way that couldn’t also be happening in Paris or London?

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Post by pas »

war1025 wrote: post #42
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a really weird political element in San Francisco which claims this reporting is all a conspiracy. While it’s true the violent crime coverage has been misleading, there has been an unprecedented normalisation of all manner of property crimes in a way that, to this New Yorker, is shocking in its banality. That dismissal of criticism as a conspiracy is thwarting civic discussion on this trend. The unfortunate e…

I don't have the link handy, but I remember seeing something on Twitter a couple weeks back where a news site published something like, "The video of a man looting a store while police watch in San Francisco has gone viral, but is it really a problem?" The comments basically pointed out that if people aren't being punished for a crime, then police reports don't get written because why bother, and then some politician…

Police reports still should be written when the victim reports the crime, right?

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by pas »

b9a2cab5 wrote: post #2

Prop 47 and SF's "criminals are oppressed by society" approach to crime are to blame here. You can't get the grunts to roll on the bosses if all you can charge them with is a misdemeanor, and you can't get police to even arrest thieves if the DA refuses to prosecute. This doesn't happen in other big cities like NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc.

Why does the DA refuse to prosecute? Prop 47 or not misdemeanors can easily earn a 6 month incarceration in case of a repeat offender. So these while obviously related it doesn't seem that Prop 47 is the big bad wolf here.

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by pas »

lokar wrote: post #66
BitwiseFool wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is a really broad, and hopefully neutral, take on the subject. There is now a popular movement in America that believes the Justice System is too harsh, especially on minor crimes. This is also coupled with the perception that police officers are prone to using force when it is unnecessary, and, that they use deadly force way too often and haphazardly. There is also a huge racial component to all of this, which…

Re: using the sidewalk as a toilet. There is often no public restroom available for the homeless to use. They have no choice.

Do they go to find a bush/tree at least?
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