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70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by astrange »

tolbish wrote: post #24
underseacables wrote: post #6

This is interesting given the protests. As I understand it, San Francisco is generally considered to be a very liberal and progressive city. The politicians are generally considered to be very liberal and progressive. These are the same groups, however, that want to defund the police. I don’t get it. You can want both police reform, and policing, but without the police there’s not really anyone capable, trained, or j…

Police reform does not mean the police should not exist. It means the police should be reformed. So that is a strawman argument. Equating police reform with being anti-police plays right into propaganda.

> Equating police reform with being anti-police plays right into propaganda.

The people who started "defund the police" literally do not want there to be police. Sometimes they want to become the police, except they want to be called community violence activists, or therapists, or something.

That was fine as a fringe position, but then a lot of other people took up the slogan and just declared that no, actually, it means totally different thing X but we're going to keep saying it.

…Anyway, nobody is actually trying to do this, except Republicans in congress when they tried to block state funding in the CARES Act, so it doesn't matter.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by Krasnol »

dougmwne wrote: post #44

I am currently in Warsaw. I have lived in SF. The quality of life is astoundingly different. There nearly zero visible homelessness people. There are low levels of crime and none visible. There are hardly any murders or gun crime. Not much property crime. There are quite a lot of police, but no brutality that I have heard of. I feel safe walking around at night. People have health care, higher education, and employee…

It should be mentioned that Warsaw is not at all representative for the country or even the local region. It's a status which the city had for many decades.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by andrewnicolalde »

towergratis wrote: post #69
AussieWog93 wrote: post #4

I wonder what percentage of residents support the tax increases necessary to provide such services.

> I wonder what percentage of residents support the tax increases necessary to provide such services. Straw man fallacy. Why do you jump to the conclusion that the problem is financial. SF is among the top 5 richest cities in US. You really have to prove that the problem is financing, before you make the argument you made.

I think they're saying the problem is political, not financial.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by ubertoop »

pmalynin wrote: post #62
dougmwne wrote: post #44

I am currently in Warsaw. I have lived in SF. The quality of life is astoundingly different. There nearly zero visible homelessness people. There are low levels of crime and none visible. There are hardly any murders or gun crime. Not much property crime. There are quite a lot of police, but no brutality that I have heard of. I feel safe walking around at night. People have health care, higher education, and employee…

And how about religious freedoms, reproductive rights and the feelings about LGBTQ folks? To add a little bit of context to the folks bellow: I actually am from Eastern Europe and consider myself rather lucky to have escaped it to Canada and the US. If you’re a good an American straight white male, with a lot of dollars then yea of course you’re going to have a pretty good time. But let’s not trivialize the issues he…

I'm really confused as to what point you're trying to make with this comment.

In order to secure religious freedoms, religious rights, and LGBTQ inclusion, we need to have a filthy city, filled with homelessness, drug addiction, and absurd policies?

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by chrisseaton »

abystander wrote: post #70
chrisseaton wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole idea of jaywalking is just absolutely bonkers. Imaging making crossing the road a crime.

By that logic, re: outlawing speeding: "imagine making driving a crime."

That's not my logic.

My logic is 'crossing the road is completely reasonable, doesn't harm anyone, people should be allowed to get to the other side of the road'. That logic doesn't follow to speeding, which is dangerous and selfish.

Do you realise it's not a crime in other countries? It's not in the UK and yet we have a lower road-death rate than the US. What are jaywalking laws for anyway?

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by desine »

astrange wrote: post #72
desine wrote: post #39

It's just a symptom of the neo-pseudo-scientific political system. I can find plenty of articles that "fact check" my gut instinct that deporting illegal immigrants who commit violent crime will reduce the violent crime. A cursory googling will remind me that SF's ban on handguns, licensed carry, and other gun restrictions protect me. After all, if I were in danger, the police average under 8 minutes response time on…

I've never seen anyone call Chesa Boudin "neoliberal" before. Actually I haven't even seen anyone call "neoliberal" policies not right-wing enough. Very innovative post.

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Post by [deleted] »

ceejayoz wrote: post #35
khazhoux wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That cartoon unintentionally proves the point of those who oppose Defund: The author either intentionally or accidentally discards the stones marked "Theft", "Gang Violence", and "Domestic Violence." Who should response to a gang shooting, a theft, or someone in the middle of beating up their spouse/partner, if not the police?

Those things are, to at least some extent, caused by the things the artist is advocating doing a better job of fixing. The whole point of the cartoon is that tackling the underlying causes of such issues might make them easier to fix.

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Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by api »

pmalynin wrote: post #62
dougmwne wrote: post #44

I am currently in Warsaw. I have lived in SF. The quality of life is astoundingly different. There nearly zero visible homelessness people. There are low levels of crime and none visible. There are hardly any murders or gun crime. Not much property crime. There are quite a lot of police, but no brutality that I have heard of. I feel safe walking around at night. People have health care, higher education, and employee…

And how about religious freedoms, reproductive rights and the feelings about LGBTQ folks? To add a little bit of context to the folks bellow: I actually am from Eastern Europe and consider myself rather lucky to have escaped it to Canada and the US. If you’re a good an American straight white male, with a lot of dollars then yea of course you’re going to have a pretty good time. But let’s not trivialize the issues he…

Isn’t this changing the subject? Or are you implying a connection? There are many major cities in the US that are socially fairly liberal and nowhere near as dysfunctional as SF.

Actually most urban areas in the US are pretty accepting even in areas like the Midwest and the South. If you are in a city you are generally fine.

Poland could become much more tolerant and accepting of differences without becoming an open air psychiatric ward with absurdly unaffordable housing and feces on the steeet.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by jmspring »

pmalynin wrote: post #62
dougmwne wrote: post #44

I am currently in Warsaw. I have lived in SF. The quality of life is astoundingly different. There nearly zero visible homelessness people. There are low levels of crime and none visible. There are hardly any murders or gun crime. Not much property crime. There are quite a lot of police, but no brutality that I have heard of. I feel safe walking around at night. People have health care, higher education, and employee…

And how about religious freedoms, reproductive rights and the feelings about LGBTQ folks? To add a little bit of context to the folks bellow: I actually am from Eastern Europe and consider myself rather lucky to have escaped it to Canada and the US. If you’re a good an American straight white male, with a lot of dollars then yea of course you’re going to have a pretty good time. But let’s not trivialize the issues he…

All are achievable with out caving to the lowest common denominator of tweakers and those that refuse to help themselves take precedence over everything else.

That is the west coast of the US. Regardless of crime, mental situation, etc, every major city is catering to patch work policies instead of addressing crime and mental / drug related illnesses.

Commit a crime with a drug addiction, there should be camps with rehab options where you serve your time on the books or engage with rehab options.

Most every sheriffs office in coastal CA instead does not incarcerate drug/mental health related issues and instead just releases them again.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by pmalynin »

ubertoop wrote: post #84
pmalynin wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how about religious freedoms, reproductive rights and the feelings about LGBTQ folks? To add a little bit of context to the folks bellow: I actually am from Eastern Europe and consider myself rather lucky to have escaped it to Canada and the US. If you’re a good an American straight white male, with a lot of dollars then yea of course you’re going to have a pretty good time. But let’s not trivialize the issues he…

I'm really confused as to what point you're trying to make with this comment. In order to secure religious freedoms, religious rights, and LGBTQ inclusion, we need to have a filthy city, filled with homelessness, drug addiction, and absurd policies?

Not at all, merely that every locale has its skeletons.
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