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The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Look I'm not anti vaxer here but to Bret's points, entries into the physician's VAERS database as well as the UK's equivalent already show it's the deadliest vaccine in history. Even v chief of medicine at Baylor is warning the same thing that the membrane spike proteins (and lipid nano particles) are unexpectedly breaking off, circulating, and triggering immune reactions throughout the body. The fact groups about ad…

VAERS does not show it is the deadliest in historical.

Which vaccine is more deadly?

Reported minimum 6k deaths and double that in UK, only a minimum because the standards for incontrovertible linkage is high and fwiw Bret and co hear from physicians who claim their reports aren't being accepted.

The rates are higher in younger people than in covid deaths.

Clinical trials are halted after 1000x less death.

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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You are seeing these issues because the piece is based on motivated reasoning The author has more than a few other pieces which helped push the US into invading Iraq back on 2003 And these are the same old tactics which were used to foment the invasion of Iraq in the 90s with things like the unquestioned statements such as "throwing babies out of incubators"

Ad hominem

In this case the discussion is about the author. The point is to assess if the misdirection is deliberate or not

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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For anyone interested in what these labs look like, the podcast "TWiV" (This Week in Virology) did a video where they visit Boston's BSL-4.

Software engineers might appreciate the simplicity with which redundant failsafes are attained - each Biosafety Level being contained by a less safe abstraction.

Thus a BSL-4 lab is essentially 4 labs built inside themselves, like a Matryoshka doll for pathogens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqAjkjGq8Ug

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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The problem with this whole article is that we know of no suitable backbone virus to use, and we know of no suitable spike-protein sequence to form a chimera which results in SARS-CoV-2. The experiments done on the SARS-CoV-1 or WIV1 backbone don't remotely get you close to SARS-CoV-2 and you're dealing with centuries of evolutionary difference there. The RaTG13 virus backbone is also several decades of evolution awa…

> While you're pondering all that keep in mind that the person who "broke" the story in the WSJ about the sick workers at the Wuhan lab was Michael R. Gordon. He's also notable for having co-authored with Judith Miller in 2002 the NYT story on Hussein's nuclear program and WMDs that arguably helped propel us into the Iraq War.

Uh, are you referring to this [0]? It's the only obvious thing I can find on Google linked to his name.

It was also posted over a year after when we first heard of those sick workers. Here's [1] one example (they're mentioned from 6:30 to 6:50).

[0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/intelligence-on-sick-staff-at-w...

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Considering how academia has acted so far in regard to the SARS-CoV-2 origin question—most ardently anti-lab-leak scientists ridiculing alternative viewpoints, then turning out to work or have friends working for an organization pulling millions of USD in grant money on related research—it is difficult for me to take its publications on the topic at face value anymore.

For a take published outside of academia, there’s been a thought-provoking write-up featured here not long ago[0]. It touches upon the funding aspect that this article focuses on, as well as the contrived web of misinformation around the issue, WIV virus sample mislabeling, the apparent PLA’s involvement in US-funded research, and a lot more.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27388587

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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The lab was sloppy, the modified virus leaked, and the rest is history. That is the most likely explanation, and it is unfortunate you are getting so heavily downvoted. There are probably only a handful of people ultimately responsible for this. Again, how much do lab assistants make? I know it’s not a lot in America, and even less in China. I wonder who the person was cleaning bat poop, feeding them, etc. Some under…

So then everything this scientist [1] says about the lab is a total lie? `There were strict protocols and requirements aimed at containing the pathogens being studied, Anderson said, and researchers underwent 45 hours of training to be certified to work independently in the lab.` Your Wendy's burger example is extremely naive as it compares two very different work environments. I highly doubt you could simply walk in…

Your post is very disingenuous, as she admitted in the article that a lab leak was possible based on historical leaks:

"Anderson, better than most people, understands how a pathogen can escape from a laboratory. SARS, an earlier coronavirus that emerged in Asia in 2002 and killed more than 700 people, subsequently made its way out of secure facilities a handful of times, she said."

> China haven't done a very good job being open and honest about their research there.

Again, you're being a useful idiot for the CCP.

WIV investigations have been stonewalled for over a year, their own doctors and journalists have been threatened or arrested to remain silent, and they deleted dozens of corona sequences from the NIH database.

At this point I have to assume the CCP is paying you off, like the 27 virologists who signed the coverup letter in 2020.

The international conspiracy over corona GoF by virologists now includes the US, Australia, Canada and China. (Australia trained some of the WIV staff and collected bat samples in Australia and processed them, but initially denied that.)

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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> your own web site What about all those times internet infrastructure companies shut down the people who built their own website? Do you see the precedent that you're setting?

All those times? How many times? Thrice?

Once is enough because it sets a precedent. But AWS taking down Parler is an example, as is AWS taking down America's Frontline Doctors. You may not like those websites, but if it can happen to them, it can happen to anyone.
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