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Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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The new midtown superthins are held up by reinforced concrete and are swaying in the breeze. They're going to be a liability once enough cracks develop.

All high rises sway in the breeze

Most of them are structural steel and not twig thin.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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I live in Minneapolis. Back in 2007 the I-35W bridge collapsed, killing 13 people. Engineers had previously reported that the bridge had structural problems. And once the collapse became national headlines news, bridges nationwide were given special attention.

It shouldn't take horrific accidents for us to suddenly decide to care about structural safety.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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Court records showed the Crestview Towers Condo Association had sued its insurance company for unspecified damages from Hurricane Irma in 2017. The damages had exceeded $30,000, but the association never got a payment to cover the damages, the lawsuit said. The parties were ordered into mediation last May, according to a Miami-Dade court docket. A parallel federal lawsuit between Crestview Towers and the insurer says…

Well they don't want to fix it, and presumably the lack of repairs is dangerous. What is the government supposed to do? Do the repairs for them and send them a bill?

The government should condemn the building until it is safe, of course.

Property owners will naturally balk at steep repair bills. Regulations exist to ensure that essential repairs happen in spite of that reluctance.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

#34

I live in Minneapolis. Back in 2007 the I-35W bridge collapsed, killing 13 people. Engineers had previously reported that the bridge had structural problems. And once the collapse became national headlines news, bridges nationwide were given special attention. It shouldn't take horrific accidents for us to suddenly decide to care about structural safety.

Similarly, it shouldn't take a security breach for companies to care about security. Poor budgets are what is eliminating the safety nets.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

#35

I live in Minneapolis. Back in 2007 the I-35W bridge collapsed, killing 13 people. Engineers had previously reported that the bridge had structural problems. And once the collapse became national headlines news, bridges nationwide were given special attention. It shouldn't take horrific accidents for us to suddenly decide to care about structural safety.

The problem is the same as it is in IT. Risk management and disaster prevention requires money, which people rarely want to spend. Boards for condos are elected, and they try to keep costs low. No one is going to elect someone who says the building should spend millions to prevent a collapse that they feel is theoretical.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

#36

I live in Minneapolis. Back in 2007 the I-35W bridge collapsed, killing 13 people. Engineers had previously reported that the bridge had structural problems. And once the collapse became national headlines news, bridges nationwide were given special attention. It shouldn't take horrific accidents for us to suddenly decide to care about structural safety.

The problem is the same as it is in IT. Risk management and disaster prevention requires money, which people rarely want to spend. Boards for condos are elected, and they try to keep costs low. No one is going to elect someone who says the building should spend millions to prevent a collapse that they feel is theoretical.

This is exactly what happened with Champlain Towers. After that assessment, they got a repair estimate and then the board and residents argued with each other about the price of fixing it for 3 years... all the way up to the moment it collapsed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/majority-of-fl...

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

#37
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Yeah, sounds like someone needs to go to jail here.

100% I imagine there will be much litigation and a bankrupt company at the end of this.

You’re missing the “While the executives walk away and do it somewhere else”.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

#38

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It’s almost the opposite in NYC. Huge buildings on solid foundations. Hard part is building. Everything you drop you need to build same day. Good luck organizing it!

The new midtown superthins are held up by reinforced concrete and are swaying in the breeze. They're going to be a liability once enough cracks develop.

I saw a really thin building in the opening credits of a movie.

I found it was 432 Park Avenue.

Wow, even thinner than a thin cigarette...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/432_Park_Avenue

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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North Miami Beach commissioner Fortuna Smukler ... said authorities were working to help the evacuated residents find places to go. There may not be anywhere for them to go. Right now, FL rental ads are getting 400 applicants per day per property - and there aren't many new ads. source: I'm a FL renter whose rental is being sold.

Sounds like work-from-home readjustment... I wonder how the "overpriced cities" will readjust. Will everyone just move back, or will new employees take over?

Must be a good time to be a real estate agent.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

#40

I live in Minneapolis. Back in 2007 the I-35W bridge collapsed, killing 13 people. Engineers had previously reported that the bridge had structural problems. And once the collapse became national headlines news, bridges nationwide were given special attention. It shouldn't take horrific accidents for us to suddenly decide to care about structural safety.

So you want to pay higher taxes? You are in the minority.
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