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> It’s not like there’s a club of past & future delivery company operators that meets regularly Why not? “National Delivery Drivers Union” sounds pretty good to me for a name. If you want to negotiate with leverage against Amazon, you need to actually have the leverage. Why is collective bargaining so weak in this industry?
Interesting - it could almost be like the National Association of Realtors. Perhaps similar to the National Association developed MLS and the backend APIs for Redfin and Zillow to access, a National Delivery Drivers Association could develop some sort of backend/API for facilitating delivery driver transactions for its members.
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That exact same argument would hold true for drug dealers, mob enforcers, and a whole variety of people that do bad things. Sure, the mob boss is a bad guy for having the enforcer break someone's shop up; but the enforcer is _also_ a bad guy for doing it.
I'm not sure why people keep equating carelessness with actual malice. Yes, obviously both the boss and the enforcer are bad for doing harmful things with an evil mind . That's just not the same as apathy.
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Or perhaps "don't get into a contractual relationship with someone much more powerful than you. But that's exactly the point of the system Amazon set up. They don't want to deal with UPS/USPS/etc.
I once had a contract with a very large and powerful corporation. They violated the terms. They laughed at me. I sued them and won. Contracts work, they're a great leveler. P.S. The breach was so bad, my lawyer took the case on contingency.
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And drive in ways that put the public at risk. Even if you lack empathy about the situation of the drivers, the choices Amazon makes can impact you or someone you love and care about very quickly.
Very true. I used to commute through an area with many taxis and the amount of reckless driving and accidents I saw from them was ridiculous. I absolutely do not want a million more workers heavily incentivized to do the same. It fits with the larger trend of corporations privitizing more profits at the expense of society as a whole. I mean, sure, people are more likely to die in car accidents, but on the bright side…
There’s a probability of an accident happening. And a probability of it causing a lawsuit and a probability of Amazon having to pay a settlement and a calculation of what that cost is compared to the savings of overtaxing drivers.
Bezos’ background at a hedge fund seems highly relevant to all this.
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Legally yes. Amazon isn't entitled to money for products they don't deliver.
Even if 1% of the customers fail to demand a refund, this is profitable
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#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure why people keep equating carelessness with actual malice. Yes, obviously both the boss and the enforcer are bad for doing harmful things with an evil mind . That's just not the same as apathy.
Taking actions that you know put someone else's personal property at risk _is_ malice. It's less malice than actively breaking it, but it is actively making a choice to put something that belongs to someone else in harm's way.
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I have direct experience interacting with the Amazon delivery partner fleet operations. I don't disagree, I would like to add a few details to the discussion. There's one important nuance missing in all this and that is that the Fleet contractors, those who own and operate the ProMaster and MB step-vans, they are "independent operators" who are sole suppliers, totally beholden to Amazon. I suspect it is extremely lim…
To me it looks like Amazon is running these businesses without the risk or accountability that comes from that. It’s just another shell game to evade regulation akin to Microsoft’s permanent contractors or gig economy workers
Amazon could do whatever corporation thing they have to do to spin up a new business unit (to avoid this is probably why they are doing it in this honestly scam-ey way...but hey) and take on the payroll, benefits, training, compliance and overall insurance risk. Then, they can organize these "Logistics Companies" into something that looks more like a property management firm.
1) They need to create a national fleet account to charge and manage the vehicles services
2) They need to run the payroll and sign the check for their driver employees and warehouse logistics people
3) Create a property management agreement and designate a sort of foreman for the warehouse distribution operations. The existing Amazon delivery partners are well positioned to do this.
4) Make clear the relationship and own the vehicles. If they do not want to own the vehicles, they can make the "Logistics Companies" be like an Enterprise or Hertz self-branded fleet company.
5) Engage in a dispatch and planning program, and surely delegate this role from Amazon to the local logistics outfit.
This will afford a lot of flexibility and take the burden off of Amazon of managing the dynamic local environments that they clearly don't want to touch.
The fact that they don't do this leads me to believe that they really just want a bag man to take the blame when some old lady take an Amazon smile to the side of her walker and splatters on the pavement.
Sorry for the grim ending. I really, really worry that the captain of the ship is some kind of overheating GPU in us-west.amazon.com or something worse, like an Iridium-connected Alexa skill in the ceiling fan of the ship head on "The Flying Fox".
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#298Wow, I guess I never really paid attention to the details behind all the Amazon headlines I see. "In April, Amazon announced it would reduce the amount it paid for drivers from $17.25 to $16.00 an hour, according to the letter...Weeks later, Amazon announced a series of raises for its drivers around the country as part of a public relations push following a union drive at an Amazon warehouse" "Currently, Amazon deliv…
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#299I work closely with someone who runs one of these Amazon DSPs. He has 70 employees who love working there. In the last 6 months he has had only 2 people leave, and one due to their family moving. He has a military background and he protects his people like they are his own unit. He deals with all the shit that Amazon throws down at him and builds his own processes and procedures to deal with things like day-to-day ro…
Amazon definitely wouldn't like to optimize that away.
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I once had a contract with a very large and powerful corporation. They violated the terms. They laughed at me. I sued them and won. Contracts work, they're a great leveler. P.S. The breach was so bad, my lawyer took the case on contingency.
I'm curious: did they violate their contract terms, or did they violate terms that you negotiated onto them.