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The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by raphlinus »

nytyellow wrote: post #46
aplummer wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because the source regularly deliberately misinforms. So it's impossible to know if literally any of the claims here are completely made up. For example: _In December 2019, The Sun's political editor, Tom Newton Dunn, wrote an article for the paper titled "Hijacked Labour", alleging that "Jeremy Corbyn is at the centre of an extraordinary network of hard-left extremists pieced together by former British intell…

Look up NYTimes and yellow cake. Oh wait that doesn't fit your narrative. Oh well. I'm sure you have some explanation for why one is better then the other and it's a totally valid non partisan, non bias, totally fair minded reason. hN is just full of highly propagandized group thinkers.

I'm not understanding the case you're making. The most notable action by the NYT on yellowcake (the main citation in the Wikipedia article) was publishing the op-ed by Joe Wilson indicating that the evidence that Iraq was trying to buy yellowcake was forged. To me, that story has considerable resonance with the lab leak theory, in both cases certain factions within US intelligence trying to push the theory hard, and releasing "evidence" through indirect sources that cannot readily be verified. In the lab leak case, a major part of that role was played by the Wall Street Journal, which published the account of 3 Wuhan lab workers hospitalized in November 2019[1]. The part of Joe Wilson basically being played by Christopher Ashley Ford, in a letter cited elsewhere in this thread.

[1]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/intelligence-on-sick-staff-at-w...

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by JohnWhigham »

secondcoming wrote: post #3
908B64B197 wrote: post #2

To think that a few months ago, sharing this article would have gotten someone banned from Facebook for sharing "conspiracy theories".

Indeed. The whole thing needs to be looked at. Someone somewhere decided that the topic was taboo and needed to be purged from the internet, and then someone somewhere decided that it was ok that the tpoic gets to see the light of day. It's all quite sinister.

Those someones were CNN/MSNBC producers that decided not to give it the light of day because Trump talked about it first and that means it's unequivocally Bad™ and racist. All 24/7 news networks should be dissolved immediately. They are aggressive cancers that have been ruinous to society.

And I still get downvoted. Lol. This community is no better than the social media sites it trashes.

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by kevingadd »

briefcomment wrote: post #8
LinuxBender wrote: post #7

Youtube is still censoring this topic. Two well known scientists testified before congress on GoF testing and the Corona Virus characteristics. That was pulled down within a few hours. I save all these videos but no idea what to do with them. [Edit] I found a copy of the coverage posted by Forbes [1] and as a matter of correction it is the GOP House Oversight and Reform Subcommittee on Select Coronavirus Crisis heari…

This is hilarious and ridiculous. How can they justify censoring testimony in Congress?

It depends on what you believe the purpose of YouTube is. Just because it's congressional testimony that doesn't mean it's actually credible or vetted information. We have elected officials in the US regularly spouting absolute nonsense, so it's not implausible that the same people would also bring witnesses in to spout the same absolute nonsense, whether it's vaccines causing autism or something else.

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by 908B64B197 »

LatteLazy wrote: post #24

It really doesn't make a difference if covid came from a lab or not, or even whether it was released on purpose or not. No one will stand up to China whether they did this on purpose or by gross negligence. So no one will stand up to China. So nothing will change...

If it makes no difference, why obstruct investigations and attempt to conceal data? [0] [1]

Why not simply collaborate and cooperate with the authorities in finding the truth? After all, they are 100% convinced the origin of the virus is natural...

[0] https://www.newsweek.com/china-calls-us-investigation-covid-...

[1] https://nypost.com/2021/06/04/chinese-virologist-says-fauci-...

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by ngcc_hk »

Not to miss the 2nd part of the video. Chinese threat is not about china. But the censorship of deliberation. May be the lab theory is wrong. But not allow to talk and discuss about it … that is how learn from the current 7 million social experiment of transforming a liberal society here in Hong Kong to one sanctioned. Good luck USA. It is so ingrained in USA can you save yourselves. Good luck humanity.

It is not just about a lab leak. It is the deliberation and freedom of expression that is more than important. Good luck.

Humanity has lost. It might come back. After losing hundred years perhaps. But why we do not wake up and start to rebuild a better open environment … so we can be safe later.

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by beaner »

devwastaken wrote: post #32
LinuxBender wrote: post #7

Youtube is still censoring this topic. Two well known scientists testified before congress on GoF testing and the Corona Virus characteristics. That was pulled down within a few hours. I save all these videos but no idea what to do with them. [Edit] I found a copy of the coverage posted by Forbes [1] and as a matter of correction it is the GOP House Oversight and Reform Subcommittee on Select Coronavirus Crisis heari…

That's like saying a civil engineer gave testimony before congress about the Boeing MAX planes. Witness's before congress are chosen for political function, it doesn't give them any sort of automatic credibility.

Okay. But this is still an actual congressional testimony for public consumption by our elected officials. By what reasoning should we not be allowed to see it?

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by devwastaken »

beaner wrote: post #56
devwastaken wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's like saying a civil engineer gave testimony before congress about the Boeing MAX planes. Witness's before congress are chosen for political function, it doesn't give them any sort of automatic credibility.

Okay. But this is still an actual congressional testimony for public consumption by our elected officials. By what reasoning should we not be allowed to see it?

Blanket ban. Even mentioning coronavirus can get your video demonitized. YouTube and Facebook have a significant problem of actual artificial conspiracy theories that have contributed to real death.

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by ipaddr »

devwastaken wrote: post #26
908B64B197 wrote: post #2

To think that a few months ago, sharing this article would have gotten someone banned from Facebook for sharing "conspiracy theories".

Because people are sharing actual conspiracy theories and killing others. So it's a blanket ban. How many people are so crazed and convinced that the vaccine makes you magnetic/sterile/whatever?

Conspiracy theories are not harmful that kill people. This is an idea the media spread in the last little while to label non-approved opinions as harmful.

Facebook decides to blank ban anything that hasn't been approved by gatekeepers and you approved because you are worried that people might hear on facebook that vaccines cause people to go sterile and not get one?

Which one of these things is actually causing harm? Shutting down all discussion or the worry that someone might post and might think the vaccine causes you to be magnetic?

It's crazy people are falling for this.

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by swiley »

devwastaken wrote: post #26
908B64B197 wrote: post #2

To think that a few months ago, sharing this article would have gotten someone banned from Facebook for sharing "conspiracy theories".

Because people are sharing actual conspiracy theories and killing others. So it's a blanket ban. How many people are so crazed and convinced that the vaccine makes you magnetic/sterile/whatever?

Lots of things killed people last year, including the lock down. Being allowed to criticize things like that is what separates us from countries that lack democracy.
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