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The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #19
LinuxBender wrote: post #7

Youtube is still censoring this topic. Two well known scientists testified before congress on GoF testing and the Corona Virus characteristics. That was pulled down within a few hours. I save all these videos but no idea what to do with them. [Edit] I found a copy of the coverage posted by Forbes [1] and as a matter of correction it is the GOP House Oversight and Reform Subcommittee on Select Coronavirus Crisis heari…

Stephen Quay is a "well known scientist" in a field completely unrelated to virology. He's a medical doctor who also does oncology research. Despite admitting to having no experience with Bayesian inference, he produced a "Bayesian analysis" of the origins of SARS-CoV-2. Another person who testified at that hearing, David Asher (also not a virologist, or even a scientist, but rather a former State Department bureaucr…

I stand corrected. Is any of what they said accurate?

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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briefcomment wrote: post #8
LinuxBender wrote: post #7

Youtube is still censoring this topic. Two well known scientists testified before congress on GoF testing and the Corona Virus characteristics. That was pulled down within a few hours. I save all these videos but no idea what to do with them. [Edit] I found a copy of the coverage posted by Forbes [1] and as a matter of correction it is the GOP House Oversight and Reform Subcommittee on Select Coronavirus Crisis heari…

This is hilarious and ridiculous. How can they justify censoring testimony in Congress?

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Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by LatteLazy »

It really doesn't make a difference if covid came from a lab or not, or even whether it was released on purpose or not. No one will stand up to China whether they did this on purpose or by gross negligence. So no one will stand up to China. So nothing will change...

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by devwastaken »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #18
908B64B197 wrote: post #2

To think that a few months ago, sharing this article would have gotten someone banned from Facebook for sharing "conspiracy theories".

Yep... we should really have a debate about platform-vs-publisher status of media.

Platform/publisher isn't a thing. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201017/13051145526/secti...

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by devwastaken »

908B64B197 wrote: post #2

To think that a few months ago, sharing this article would have gotten someone banned from Facebook for sharing "conspiracy theories".

Because people are sharing actual conspiracy theories and killing others. So it's a blanket ban. How many people are so crazed and convinced that the vaccine makes you magnetic/sterile/whatever?

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by api »

Tenoke wrote: post #16
throwaway6734 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't use Facebook

YouTube among with many other places are even now censoring it so acting like it's a Facebook problem is counter-productive.

So use Vimeo, Peertube, your own web site, ...

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

devwastaken wrote: post #25
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep... we should really have a debate about platform-vs-publisher status of media.

Platform/publisher isn't a thing. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201017/13051145526/secti...

But it should be.

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

LinuxBender wrote: post #21
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stephen Quay is a "well known scientist" in a field completely unrelated to virology. He's a medical doctor who also does oncology research. Despite admitting to having no experience with Bayesian inference, he produced a "Bayesian analysis" of the origins of SARS-CoV-2. Another person who testified at that hearing, David Asher (also not a virologist, or even a scientist, but rather a former State Department bureaucr…

I stand corrected. Is any of what they said accurate?

I haven't watched their Congressional testimony, but I've read Quay's "analysis" and heard Asher propound on his bioweapon theory elsewhere.

Quay's analysis is not a rigorous Bayesian analysis in any sense. It's a series of subjective judgments about likelihoods of various scenarios. It's classic garbage-in, garbage-out, dressed up as science by using the word "Bayesian." The thing is, Bayesian inference is only as good as the information and knowledge you put into it. Quay treats cancer patients and invents medical devices. He has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to virology. It's incredibly telling that he's the guy that pro-lab-leak congresspeople invite to talk, instead of an actual virologist.

Asher is just a career political hack with no scientific background.

Edit: Right off the bat, Quay's first claim in his testimony is highly dubious. He claims that the Huanan Seafood market was not where the virus spilled over, because supposedly the earliest version of the virus wasn't found in patients who were at the market. Two problems: 1. We don't actually know which is the oldest lineage of the virus. 2. Only a tiny fraction of people who got sick at the market have had samples taken. Probably hundreds of people at the market caught the virus and had mild or asymptomatic cases. We only have a few samples, from people who fell seriously ill. By the way, mortality evidence independently supports the Huanan market as the area of the first major outbreak.

Re: The risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

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Post by devwastaken »

runawaybottle wrote: post #4

People will hate this source, but this is the most info I’ve seen revealed about the actual conditions in the Wuhan lab(s): https://www.the-sun.com/news/3174242/wuhan-labs-leak-covid-c...

The 60 page report that's listed halfway through isn't peer reviewed, and the main author only submits papers about the wuhan lab. It's also on researchgate, which is about the same as saying someone publishing a study on twitter.
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