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Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by tomp »

bmn__ wrote: post #339
tomp wrote: post #110

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Theres also “das kind” (the child). And I’m sure other examples. You simply don’t understand how other languages work, and you’re projecting your own ideas onto them. And German is a whole different class than Latin and Slavic languages - AFAIK there’s now way to “tell” the gender of a word in German. In contrast, in Spanish, Italian (not sure about French) and Slovenian words actually “sound” either feminine or masc…

> AFAIK there’s now way to “tell” the gender of a word in German That's incorrect, there are rules. (These rules have a few exceptions.) m: -en, -er, -ig, -ismus, -ist, -ling, -m, -or f: -ät, -e, -ei, -enz, -heit, -ie, -ik, -in, -ion, -keit, -schaft, -ung, -ur n: -chen, -lein, -ment, -nis, -tum, -um That makes the proposed contrast weaker than you initially thought.

If anything, the contrast is stronger.

Slovenian: -a feminine, -o, -e neutrum, rest masculine. (Again, some exceptions.)

Italian and Spain is probably even simpler, since there’s no neutrum.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

xdennis wrote: post #318
iammisc wrote: post #302

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So Brazilians aren't Hispanic?

Yes. Hispanic refers to Spanish language and culture.

Brazilians mostly speak Portuguese...

(I don't know if that leaves them considered "Hispanic" or not. I think it does leave them considered Latin, though.)

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

iammisc wrote: post #290
noutella wrote: post #47

How incredibly weird is it to witness American schizophrenia* when it comes to races (and gender) from a non-american perspective. "Black+", "Latinx+", "LGBTTQQIAAP". Putting people in smaller and smaller box in the name of equality and diversity. I am the only one to feel this is coming to an absurd point ? I'm not an alt-right fan, nor would I vote Republican if I could, I'm a leftist in what's considered a traditi…

When it comes to social issues, the republican party is typically more in line with international norms, whereas the democratic party is far far to the left. People will mock this sentiment perhaps, but it's true. Take the polarizing issue of abortion for example. If the USA had the same abortion restrictions as Germany, you'd likely see the GOp drop most of its prolife stuff. Right now, the democrats are very extrem…

Well, France is condemning American "woke" leftism. France thinks it's something different from "normal" leftism. And they're probably right...

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by jedberg »

tester756 wrote: post #329
jedberg wrote: post #326

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> I don't think there's wide room for questions like that. You'd be surprised. There is ample research showing that even the most simple math and reading comprehension questions have cultural biases.

Ok, I agree that it is possible that question like that exists (e.g counting cards) but on the other hand they appear on previous years questions as often as other (I think), thus you can easily prepare and learn how to count cards or stuff

That's actually a perfect example. Any problem that involves cards assumes you know what cards are, what the suits are, how many of each there are, etc. That's cultural knowledge not everyone has, and often breaks down by race.

So yes, you could learn it, but the kids who grew up playing cards with their family have a distinct advantage on that question.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by tester756 »

jedberg wrote: post #345
tester756 wrote: post #329

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Ok, I agree that it is possible that question like that exists (e.g counting cards) but on the other hand they appear on previous years questions as often as other (I think), thus you can easily prepare and learn how to count cards or stuff

That's actually a perfect example. Any problem that involves cards assumes you know what cards are, what the suits are, how many of each there are, etc. That's cultural knowledge not everyone has, and often breaks down by race. So yes, you could learn it, but the kids who grew up playing cards with their family have a distinct advantage on that question.

but still, how many questions are like that?

on math exams in my country (basic+advanced) I noticed only 1 question like that - those cards

System is not perfect, but do you have any better alternative?

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

slumdev wrote: post #173
daniellarusso wrote: post #59

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This is almost as thoughtful as Slack enumerating all user skin tones via 5 integer values.

I thought making everyone cartoon yellow was more empowering. Especially on the Internet, with pseudonymity, we're all nothing more than the ideas we present. An egalitarian dream was twisted into a woke nightmare for bad actors to earn free PR by pitting people against each other.

My theory is that we're all red. Peel back the skin layer of any living human being, and red is what you'll see.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by kbelder »

jedberg wrote: post #260
andyxor wrote: post #259

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well, that's wrong and un-American, I thought everyone is created equal. I'm not sure what the reason for this recent surge of neo-racism where every "tribe" has to be treated differently.

Everyone may be created equal, but they are not treated equally as they grow up, making them unequal as adults.

You both seem to agree on that.

You are only disagreeing on the methods for fixing that. I think one of you is saying 'we need to fix the root cause and stop being racist', and another is saying 'we need fix the symptoms right now because they're suffering.'

What's frustrating is pretty much everybody thinks racism is wrong, and I legitimately think over 99% of the posters here are appalled by racism. But for various reasons, they disagree about methods to correct the issue, and end up despising each other.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by caeril »

nradov wrote: post #308
rocqua wrote: post #77

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A problem I have heard female friends speculate about is with promoting women in higher positions. If the female population is too low, and you try to get them into higher positions, two effects occur according to this theory. First of all, with a low female population there probably aren't enough proven and qualified women to fill the desired number of slots. This leads to imposter syndrome / worry about people thin…

Women were well represented in the early days of computing. The gender imbalance only started in about 1984. Some researchers think that was because home computers started to become affordable at about that time and were mainly marketed to men. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when...

Women are also currently well-represented in computing in Eastern Europe, Iran, China, and somewhat in Russia.

None of these regions particularly care about "women in tech", and most of them are certifiably more patriarchal than any of the Western countries currently suffering from under-representation of women.

One can conclude from facts on the ground that neither gender equality nor pro-diversity movements correlate with desirable representation outcomes. Yet, those appear to be the only approaches attempted here in the West.

We're not serious about tackling the problem. We are, however, quite good at grifting off the problem with proposals we know don't work.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by archagon »

mymanz wrote: post #251
noutella wrote: post #47

How incredibly weird is it to witness American schizophrenia* when it comes to races (and gender) from a non-american perspective. "Black+", "Latinx+", "LGBTTQQIAAP". Putting people in smaller and smaller box in the name of equality and diversity. I am the only one to feel this is coming to an absurd point ? I'm not an alt-right fan, nor would I vote Republican if I could, I'm a leftist in what's considered a traditi…

Voting democrat is to provide approval of this ideology and to give it a greater platform. Many americans are equally perplexed at this, and a lot of republican voters exist precisely as a reaction to it.

Voting Republican is to enact fascism and tear down the tenants of democracy in the US, while siphoning as much money and power to big business and the upper classes as possible. The ideology you cite is remarkably tame by comparison.
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