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Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by mymanz »

noutella wrote: post #47

How incredibly weird is it to witness American schizophrenia* when it comes to races (and gender) from a non-american perspective. "Black+", "Latinx+", "LGBTTQQIAAP". Putting people in smaller and smaller box in the name of equality and diversity. I am the only one to feel this is coming to an absurd point ? I'm not an alt-right fan, nor would I vote Republican if I could, I'm a leftist in what's considered a traditi…

Voting democrat is to provide approval of this ideology and to give it a greater platform. Many americans are equally perplexed at this, and a lot of republican voters exist precisely as a reaction to it.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by vmception »

whoooooo123 wrote: post #242
vmception wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be super easy for me to not say anything for two years for a million dollars.

Did Gebru get a payout? I missed that part of the story. What are the details?

The point is that people don't need to become corporate martyrs given how brief and highly compensated their stint at big tech companies are

It’s discretionary

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by II2II »

sokoloff wrote: post #32

> some people from underrepresented backgrounds have said they continue to feel unwelcome in the tech industry, and they also remain high in demand elsewhere as companies compete to increase diversity. This is dangerous territory to comment on perhaps, but it seems like many policies which seek to boost individual company population ratios to be significantly higher than the comparable tech-industry ratios are prone…

> Competing for talent and working hard to ensure that underrepresented group members have a fair shot? Should be standard practice and a baseline of ethical corporate and human behavior.

> Competing specifically for underrepresented group members with a metrics-driven goal to boost ratios at one specific company above the relevant benchmark? Not obviously good to me.

How about competing for underrepresented groups, then targeting resources to ensure their success? The industry has created an environment that either is or appears to be hostile to these underrepresented groups. Perhaps they should take responsibility to change that in meaningful ways. Meaningful ways means more than filling quotas.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by dahfizz »

danaris wrote: post #231
dahfizz wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Communication is hard, and having to dance around the topic to be PC makes communication much harder. Your parent was responding to this statement: > We do have a diversity problem in tech, no doubt. And their response - that tech is, in fact, diverse and meritocratic - is a fair response to that statement. I think what OP meant by their statement is that there is a diversity problem _pertaining specifically to peopl…

Saying "We do have plenty of representation of some minorities" is not a refutation of "we have a diversity problem in tech". In fact, it is exactly these kinds of attitudes that directly contribute to perpetuating the diversity problem in tech. And if you think you "have to dance around [a] topic to be PC", then chances are, what you're struggling with is either internalized bias (racism, sexism, homophobia, transph…

I think you are not participating in good faith.

> Saying "We do have plenty of representation of some minorities" is not a refutation of "we have a diversity problem in tech".

Nobody is trying to refute anything. Your knee jerk reaction is to attack anyone who doesn't 100% agree with you. _You_ are turning a nuanced discussion into an argument.

> And if you think you "have to dance around [a] topic to be PC", then chances are, what you're struggling with is either internalized bias (racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc)—or the fact that you're just a bigot yourself who's upset that their bigotry is no longer socially acceptable.

Again, there is no reason for you to go full offence here. You are deliberately choosing the least charitable interpretation in order to make me the enemy.

I was referring to OP's own statement:

> This is dangerous territory to comment on perhaps

I was giving a reason why OP's comment was a little generalized.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by vmception »

sidlls wrote: post #129
CydeWeys wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My intent with saying "Regardless of who you think was in the wrong there" was precisely NOT to re-litigate the entire saga (that's old and played out here). Regardless of who you think was wrong, it had a big effect on black employees' perceptions of their employer.

On some black employees' perceptions. This is hard for people new to working and living alongside minorities in America, but these are individuals and not a monolithic group. Identity politics is dangerous because the loudest mouths on the issue are definitely not representative of any whole group. And yet culturally we're demanded to see things their way to an increasing and alarming degree.

One look at Blind app and you get to see just how out of touch tech employees are about people that don't look like them

Seems very pervasive to have a heavily distorted view of black people

What I most commonly see, on Blind, is people assuming that black people - mostly US citizens their entire lives - have a completely different culture that has to be tolerated, as opposed to a mostly shared American culture

Its kind of weird

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Post by hndirect »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #195
noutella wrote: post #47

How incredibly weird is it to witness American schizophrenia* when it comes to races (and gender) from a non-american perspective. "Black+", "Latinx+", "LGBTTQQIAAP". Putting people in smaller and smaller box in the name of equality and diversity. I am the only one to feel this is coming to an absurd point ? I'm not an alt-right fan, nor would I vote Republican if I could, I'm a leftist in what's considered a traditi…

A fun exercise for you! Next time you hear about "diversity and inclusion ," sit back to consider what the company in question actually does to promote an atmosphere of inclusion . Is it a slack message about celebrating XYZ Group Week, in the midst of an atmosphere where dissent is persecuted?

"Diversity" = Identity based approach to society

"Inclusion" = Restricted speech and justification for purges

"Equity" = Equality of outcomes

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by evilpotatoes »

sterlind wrote: post #226
enumjorge wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m guessing it’s one of the most welcoming and meritocratic industries! And I’m guessing you’re not one of the affected minorities. Otherwise you might see that “the system works for this subset of people so it must be working for everyone” is a flawed and untrue argument, at least in tech. People pushing for more equal treatment of certain minorities didn’t happen out of the blue. There’s a long history of certai…

a good example of this is the disabled. any of those same brilliant tech workers could acquire a disability at any time - they come from the same group of people , but we seem quite under-represented. and the developer tools themselves tend not to be accessible (I can find literally nothing online, or even internally, about using Visual Studio with Dragon NaturallySpeaking.) it's curious, right?

It is, but honestly I don't think I could comprehend code that was read out to me. It's very much something I do with the visual parts of my brain in terms of following the logic, etc.

I'm not saying that it's impossible, and I don't know what kind of difference something like braille would make. Idk, are there any blind programmers that you know of ? Surely there must be some programmers who have gone blind, I wonder if they just decide to switch careers idk.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by AlexandrB »

haunter wrote: post #131
noutella wrote: post #47

How incredibly weird is it to witness American schizophrenia* when it comes to races (and gender) from a non-american perspective. "Black+", "Latinx+", "LGBTTQQIAAP". Putting people in smaller and smaller box in the name of equality and diversity. I am the only one to feel this is coming to an absurd point ? I'm not an alt-right fan, nor would I vote Republican if I could, I'm a leftist in what's considered a traditi…

It's the biggest victory of the rich in the last decade. They turned a socio-economical class problem (poor workers vs rich) that infects the current state of capitalism into a race warfare. Turn people against each other so we can live free. divide et impera, working perfectly

While I partially agree - too often a class problem is recast as a race problem to narrow the range of possible solutions - there is also a race problem that should not be ignored.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by andyxor »

jedberg wrote: post #249
andyxor wrote: post #237

Why even mention the skin color, unless you’re racist what’s the difference between black and white Google employees

Do a search for [why is I don't see color racist]. Much smarter people than I have written a lot about this.

well, that's wrong and un-American, I thought everyone is created equal.

I'm not sure what the reason for this recent surge of neo-racism where every "tribe" has to be treated differently.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by jedberg »

andyxor wrote: post #259
jedberg wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do a search for [why is I don't see color racist]. Much smarter people than I have written a lot about this.

well, that's wrong and un-American, I thought everyone is created equal. I'm not sure what the reason for this recent surge of neo-racism where every "tribe" has to be treated differently.

Everyone may be created equal, but they are not treated equally as they grow up, making them unequal as adults.
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