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Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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I thought making everyone cartoon yellow was more empowering. Especially on the Internet, with pseudonymity, we're all nothing more than the ideas we present. An egalitarian dream was twisted into a woke nightmare for bad actors to earn free PR by pitting people against each other.

Why is yellow the “neutral” color? Why not black, or red, or white? Letting people pick whatever color seems more empowering to me.

empowering for what exactly?

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That form is mandated by the government, not the company. Anyone with a Spanish speaking heritage is considered to be hispanic.

oh that is nice to know, thanks

So Brazilians aren't Hispanic?

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I happen to be very familiar with Google's diversity efforts and have many Black and Latinx friends and acquaintances in the company. Google is one of the most racially inclusive tech companies in the world. It really tries hard to fix historical disparities between races in ways that you don't see in most companies, ranging from very active promotion of minorities to programs dedicated to hiring them. The interview…

this is why i'll never work for google. Seems like a bunch of left'ist crowed, that just want more and more, goal post is now changed to effect outcome, when it never comes out.

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> There’s a lot of minorities that are well-, even over-represented - e.g. Asians, Russian immigrants, autists, people without formal education, … I’m guessing it’s one of the most welcoming and meritocratic industries! How do you get to your conclusion from your statement? Simply having some minority groups overrepresented doesn't mean that the industry is welcoming. It may mean its welcoming to those groups. And pe…

> And people w/o formal education isn't really a minority group. They’re a minority / highly underrepresented in other highly paid professions (law, medicine, finance). That’s something that IMO makes tech a truly exceptional industry! (Technically, women aren’t a “minority” either.)

Rightfully so, at least for law and medicine. What happened to merit?

We are all minority and majority at the same time for different groups. And that's ok.

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I happen to be very familiar with Google's diversity efforts and have many Black and Latinx friends and acquaintances in the company. Google is one of the most racially inclusive tech companies in the world. It really tries hard to fix historical disparities between races in ways that you don't see in most companies, ranging from very active promotion of minorities to programs dedicated to hiring them. The interview…

When I was an employee at Google and did interviews, I was told that for diversity reasons, I couldn't ask where an interviewee "was from" because that would bias my decision. I'm sorry, but other companies and fields don't prevent this question, and have far less bias (well, employee distributions that more closely map to underlying population distributions) in hiring. Most of what Google is doing is to reduce its l…

wtf hahaha.

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Critical theory is actually what people mean when they say cultural Marxism. Critical theory itself came out of various Marxist and Marxist-influenced academics in the mid-20th century.

It seems that most people in this thread who use the term cultural marxism don't quite mean critical theory. Instead it seems to be about seeing (and advocating for) a dialectic between the oppressors and the oppressed. The idea is that this division maps somewhat to 'cultural' groups. The main 'cultural' division they mention is race. I would assume they also include LGBT+ and occasionally jews as part of the opress…

Marxism and critical theory are separate but related, and its no accident critical theory came out of a Marxist think tank. Marxism looks to exploit some perceived opressor/opresee relationship in a civilization. Critical theory is about examining a civilization to determine what the opressor/opresee relationships are within that culture.

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> some people from underrepresented backgrounds have said they continue to feel unwelcome in the tech industry, and they also remain high in demand elsewhere as companies compete to increase diversity. This is dangerous territory to comment on perhaps, but it seems like many policies which seek to boost individual company population ratios to be significantly higher than the comparable tech-industry ratios are prone…

A problem I have heard female friends speculate about is with promoting women in higher positions. If the female population is too low, and you try to get them into higher positions, two effects occur according to this theory. First of all, with a low female population there probably aren't enough proven and qualified women to fill the desired number of slots. This leads to imposter syndrome / worry about people thin…

Women were well represented in the early days of computing. The gender imbalance only started in about 1984. Some researchers think that was because home computers started to become affordable at about that time and were mainly marketed to men.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when...

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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I do analyses like these for companies sometimes. They almost always get it wrong. I'm surprised Google's report doesn't seem to do it correctly either. The issue is rarely that people of a specific race are leaving faster than other races. The issue is almost always that turnover is high in lower level roles and that's where the bulk of your black / latinx population sits. You CANNOT look at overall attrition rates…

Is this Simpson's Paradox? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradox

Yes! Maybe a slight variant. In this case the overall effect is evident when you look at the whole, and not when you group by level.

The important question is whether it seems causally reasonable to group or not group. In this case, grouping makes sense.

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I'm Italian and I speak Spanish and Portuguese relatively fluently. Using the term "Latinx" in my opinion is a form of cultural appropriation, because it imposes a way of using grammatical gender that is typical of the English language (think e.g. about the "singular they") upon neo-latin languages where the perception of grammatical gender is very different. In neo-latin languages such as Italian or Spanish, grammat…

Learning German for the better part of the last two years, I agree with the thought of your comment. The only way I could wrap my head around the notorious German genders is by divorcing myself of the English concept that gender in language depends completely on the object referred to. Rather, I had to see gender as an arbitrary grammatical category; so just get used to it! However, I (an armchair linguist, I should…

> your language affects your world view

As a linguist, my personal opinion is that it tinges your world view, but does not have a large influence on it. I only adhere to a very light interpretation of Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis. tldr: culture is a much stronger influence on world view, it also strongly influences language.

A simple, but clear example is rhyme. By having words that rhyme in your language, you are more likely to pair them together in a song or a poem, like love and dove, but these words don't rhyme in Chinese so you a Chinese speaker is less likely to pair them when rhyme is needed. It also affects word play. A counter argument would be imperfect rhyme, the culture or desired effect forces a rhyme on words. The speaker finds a why to manipulate the language for their needs.

A stronger argument argument against Sapir-Whorf is that there are native speakers of a language that have very different cultures like native speaker of American English and native speakers of Indian English. They both speak English, but have very different world views, and change the language to suit their communication needs. The opposite can be true as well, speakers of different languages, but related cultures can shape their languages in similar ways. For example, many Singaporeans are native or high level English speakers and the language has evolved patterns and communication styles found in Chinese languages.

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