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Re: Two Portland delivery companies revolt against Amazon, shut down

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How is destroying other people's stuff a reasonable response for you being disgruntled at your employer?

It's not about being disgruntled, it's about not wanting your family to go hungry because you were only able to deliver three hundred packages in ten hours by taking extra care. There's a difference between destroying someone's stuff because you hate your job and just not caring about someone's stuff because you want your job.

Exactly what the game Papers Please is about

Re: Two Portland delivery companies revolt against Amazon, shut down

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I don't get Amazon's play here. Just charge me more money for items, and pay your people well. I'd rather have a happy safe driver than a miserable one at the end of his or her rope, all so I could save a dollar. Reminds me of Papa John complaining giving his employees healthcare would make prices go up 14 cents per pizza. Seriously? Who cares about 14 cents when ordering a pizza... Amazon's entire value to me is fas…

There are lots of e-commerce sites though, and many of them are nicer to browse, nicer-looking, have more realistic reviews, etc. than Amazon.

Amazon absolutely competes on price. I've seen it myself. If Amazon sells something for a buck cheaper, lots and lots of people will go to Amazon for that something and maybe pick up something else from it's recommendation system they forgot they wanted, etc.

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A lot of corporate gains have been at a cost of squeezing on labor resources in some form or another, either time, lower comp, higher productivity, etc. or some combination of these elements. There has been some innovation in general technology making improvements for labor but a lot is really just doing more, for less, and someone else pocketing the gains. You need look no further than AWS treatment of SEs in their…

> You need look no further than AWS treatment of SEs in their PIP culture to see this. Curious if you or someone else can expound further on this?

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/internal-amazon...

HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27581797

Re: Two Portland delivery companies revolt against Amazon, shut down

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And throw packages like they don't care, as they should.

How is destroying other people's stuff a reasonable response for you being disgruntled at your employer?

Buying from a retailer that doesn't work with such perverse incentives and inhumane practices could benefit the consumer it turns out.

Re: Two Portland delivery companies revolt against Amazon, shut down

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Vote with your dollars folks. I'm 5 years in to an Amazon boycott and hardly even notice really.

What are you using that is even close to the same, offers a similar return guarantees and contactless due to covid?

Obviously it's a principled stance so you have to give up some convenience.

Every item on Amazon is available somewhere else. Every retail / online shopping experience can be contactless these days. You might have to wait 5 days instead of 2 for a package but that can be okay.

Re: Two Portland delivery companies revolt against Amazon, shut down

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I don't get Amazon's play here. Just charge me more money for items, and pay your people well. I'd rather have a happy safe driver than a miserable one at the end of his or her rope, all so I could save a dollar. Reminds me of Papa John complaining giving his employees healthcare would make prices go up 14 cents per pizza. Seriously? Who cares about 14 cents when ordering a pizza... Amazon's entire value to me is fas…

> I don't get Amazon's play here.

Shareholders, probably.

Re: Two Portland delivery companies revolt against Amazon, shut down

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This is more or less how it should be. If Amazon isn't going to offer a good enough deal, then companies shouldn't move packages for them. As more and more people figure it out, other delivery companies will stop working with Amazon as well, although it may be that the deals work out better in places with lower cost-of-living, easier delivery routes (due to climate, geography, etc.), or other advantages. If some othe…

Good points. But, with Amazon taking the lion’s share of online sales, how much of delivery is left outside of Amazon? I am not advocating for Amazon, just wondering if this move is sustainable for the employees while Amazon gets (theoretically) strong armed.

If they "sell" 20,000 cheap knockoffs smartphones, but no one ships them, did they really sell them?

Shipping is crucial to Amazon's business model. The last mile problem is the vulnerable jugular of the e-commerce industry

Re: Two Portland delivery companies revolt against Amazon, shut down

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> 400 packages a day on 10-hour routes 40 packages per hour or 90s per package. No wonder the drivers pee in bottles and work unpaid overtime to keep their jobs.

And throw packages like they don't care, as they should.

And park in the most ridiculous places. I wonder who pays the fines.

Re: Two Portland delivery companies revolt against Amazon, shut down

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I don't get Amazon's play here. Just charge me more money for items, and pay your people well. I'd rather have a happy safe driver than a miserable one at the end of his or her rope, all so I could save a dollar. Reminds me of Papa John complaining giving his employees healthcare would make prices go up 14 cents per pizza. Seriously? Who cares about 14 cents when ordering a pizza... Amazon's entire value to me is fas…

Amazon competes on price through, especially as Walmart gets into the game.

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This is more or less how it should be. If Amazon isn't going to offer a good enough deal, then companies shouldn't move packages for them. As more and more people figure it out, other delivery companies will stop working with Amazon as well, although it may be that the deals work out better in places with lower cost-of-living, easier delivery routes (due to climate, geography, etc.), or other advantages. If some othe…

Good points. But, with Amazon taking the lion’s share of online sales, how much of delivery is left outside of Amazon? I am not advocating for Amazon, just wondering if this move is sustainable for the employees while Amazon gets (theoretically) strong armed.

What is online sales worth when products can't be delivered?

It takes some time, but things will balance. If Amazon is not able to get the product to the consumers, the consumer will leave for the competition that is a bit more expensive, but can.

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