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Name of the Game: The distinction between ‘influencer’ and ‘creator’

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Re: Name of the Game: The distinction between ‘influencer’ and ‘creator’

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I do not agree with the author's arguments. Creators are typically selling their own creation while influencers are using their reputation to sell something other than their creation. The relationship between the audience is different and it is problematic when an audience member does not realize that. While I am not a particularly good person to comment upon broad social perceptions, I also disagree with the asserti…

It’s complicated because to sell things, influencers create their own content. The videos and photos they post to show off the products they’re touting, are still videos and photos. They still have to be high-quality and engaging pieces of content or folks will scroll past and not follow/subscribe/etc.

And they can’t just post ads all the time or people won’t watch. Even the most commercially-oriented influencer is posting original content on a schedule to keep their audience engaged, whether or not they’re fulfilling a sponsorship deal at that moment.

Consider that it’s a long-standing convention to call a company that makes traditional ads (print magazine, network TV, etc) a “creative agency.” “Creative” and “creator” are terms that have been associated with commercial influence for a long time, as the article notes.

Re: Name of the Game: The distinction between ‘influencer’ and ‘creator’

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post #11

I do not agree with the author's arguments. Creators are typically selling their own creation while influencers are using their reputation to sell something other than their creation. The relationship between the audience is different and it is problematic when an audience member does not realize that. While I am not a particularly good person to comment upon broad social perceptions, I also disagree with the asserti…

Publishers don't send a game key to a "let's play" channel ... have an influencer use their product.

Is a let’s player a creator or an influencer? Yes, they are playing someone else’s game. Yet many people prefer to watch their favourite let’s player over playing the game themselves. This indicated to me that the let’s player is creating some value that the game alone did not have.

It may be, for some people, that they want to save money by not buying a game and instead enjoying the story as provided by their favourite let’s player. On the other hand, lots of people like to play the game alongside the let’s player and talk about it with the community. They also donate money to the let’s player directly so it isn’t necessarily about saving money.

I think there is real value in these communities that gets built up around a game or genre of games, especially during the pandemic. Many people who would otherwise not get a lot of socialization in their lives are able to socialize with those in their favourite let’s player and streamer communities.

Re: Name of the Game: The distinction between ‘influencer’ and ‘creator’

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post #11

I do not agree with the author's arguments. Creators are typically selling their own creation while influencers are using their reputation to sell something other than their creation. The relationship between the audience is different and it is problematic when an audience member does not realize that. While I am not a particularly good person to comment upon broad social perceptions, I also disagree with the asserti…

> Creators are typically selling their own creation while influencers are using their reputation to sell something other than their creation.

That's a bit missing the point. Influencers as also creators are both doing the same, using the same tactics with the same goals. And more and more the differences are becoming blurry, as both are doing what the other side is doing. Creators advertising other products than their own is not uncommon. And Influencers starting to create also high quality-content outside of cheap social media-content is also happening quite often after they reach a certain point in their career.

We also see very often confusion about who when someone is an influencer, when is someone a creator. Because technical everyone with reputation is influencing others, and everone is creating content when building their reputation via social media. And on top, we are specifically talking in context of social media with this terms. But they also exist outside of social media and predate them.

Maybe, we should start using those terms for what they are and accept that people can be both, and not exclusivly one or the other.

Re: Name of the Game: The distinction between ‘influencer’ and ‘creator’

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This is a great article because it tries to look into not just what the distinction is between “creator” and “influencer,” but also why anyone cares about that distinction.

There are a lot of distinctions that make hard sense in one’s life: between a coral snake and a king snake, or between a car that is parked and a car that is moving.

This is not one of those; no one’s welfare depends on determining whether Marques Brownlee is a creator or an influencer. As such—as a social distinction—it’s bound up in the experiences and values of each person who is trying to make that distinction. So as the article notes, influencers almost always refer to themselves as creators, while their commercial representation invariably refers to them as influencers. The language you use is in part determined by where you stand and what you want.

Re: Name of the Game: The distinction between ‘influencer’ and ‘creator’

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post #11

I do not agree with the author's arguments. Creators are typically selling their own creation while influencers are using their reputation to sell something other than their creation. The relationship between the audience is different and it is problematic when an audience member does not realize that. While I am not a particularly good person to comment upon broad social perceptions, I also disagree with the asserti…

It’s complicated because to sell things, influencers create their own content. The videos and photos they post to show off the products they’re touting, are still videos and photos. They still have to be high-quality and engaging pieces of content or folks will scroll past and not follow/subscribe/etc. And they can’t just post ads all the time or people won’t watch. Even the most commercially-oriented influencer is p…

I agree that influencers are creators in the generic sense, and certainly don't mean to dismiss their creativity or skill. That being said, context is important. When creators are contrasted to influencers, the context implies that motivation is being considered.

Re: Name of the Game: The distinction between ‘influencer’ and ‘creator’

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post #11

I do not agree with the author's arguments. Creators are typically selling their own creation while influencers are using their reputation to sell something other than their creation. The relationship between the audience is different and it is problematic when an audience member does not realize that. While I am not a particularly good person to comment upon broad social perceptions, I also disagree with the asserti…

It’s complicated because to sell things, influencers create their own content. The videos and photos they post to show off the products they’re touting, are still videos and photos. They still have to be high-quality and engaging pieces of content or folks will scroll past and not follow/subscribe/etc. And they can’t just post ads all the time or people won’t watch. Even the most commercially-oriented influencer is p…

If only 1% of someone's creative output is product placement, the other 99% is rubbish. They don't have creative freedom.

Product placement is a sneaky form of advertising that degrades the creative value of whatever it's in, because unlike an ad next to an editorial, the advertiser in a placement explicitly alters and by definition limits and demands what the creative content can or cannot include.

There's a word for rock stars who tout products - sellouts. Influencers are basically people whose idea of a great gig is to be popular enough to sell out.

Put another way, creatives get paid for their own ideas, whether by selling work product directly or by ads placed which go with that work. And one way we judge the quality of any art or medium is the degree to which the creators are free from the influence of their advertisers. Influencers, on the other hand, merely mimic creativity as a means to shill for an advertiser.

I'm an art director among other things, and I make ads for a living. In that industry, I'm a "creative"... as are designers I work with. But we're creating on behalf of a commercial enterprise, i.e. we don't have true creative freedom in that realm, or freedom of expression. And neither do influencers. In fact, they have even less than the marketing departments who sponsor them.

So there's a difference, and 'influencer' is disparaging, and the social disdain is well-earned.

Re: Name of the Game: The distinction between ‘influencer’ and ‘creator’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how I have always thought of the distinction, too. An influencer is a content creator that specializes in sponsored content.

Or aims to do it. Most influencers doesn't get a lot of sponsors and therefore can't afford to travel/buy lots of fashion required to maintain the lifestyle influencer audiences wants to see.

But they were influenced into trying.

Re: Name of the Game: The distinction between ‘influencer’ and ‘creator’

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An influencer is someone that influences people, usually teenagers. Influencers and creators are not mutually exclusive. You can be both. That said, most influencers I know don't create anything and most kids who want to be influencers are not thinking about creating something of value, only about doing stupid things in front of a camera and getting money from sponsors. An influencer, not so long ago, advertised some…

> That said, most influencers I know don't create anything

They create Social Media-Content. A selfy, a tweet, even a posting in some forum, they all are content. It's usually cheap content, but still content. And better influencers have also some higher quality of content, with a video, stream, a blog-article or podcast.

> only about doing stupid things in front of a camera and getting money from sponsors

Having a job that you can enjoy and have fun seems not the worst thing.

Re: Name of the Game: The distinction between ‘influencer’ and ‘creator’

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post #5

Aren’t influencers simply popular people who are willing to sell their audience to advertisers? Some of them are content creators, others are popular for other reasons. But it isn’t really a job description or title.

Agreed, except that we're starting to see people put "influencer" as their job title. I see this especially on TV shows now. So while they might be creators, or might just be wannabe celebrities, they're self-identifying as "influencers".
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