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I often hear people I dismiss directly mention cultural marxism. But I have never seen an explanation of what cultural marxism is. Could you enlighten me?

A worldview which sees only The Oppressed and The Oppressors, and maps people into one category or the other. For Marx class was used, now it's race... and complete bullshit.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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I happen to be very familiar with Google's diversity efforts and have many Black and Latinx friends and acquaintances in the company. Google is one of the most racially inclusive tech companies in the world. It really tries hard to fix historical disparities between races in ways that you don't see in most companies, ranging from very active promotion of minorities to programs dedicated to hiring them. The interview…

I'm curious how the interview process at Google compares to other tech companies. I don't mean the text written afterwards but the actual interview process.

My female friend interviewed at a number of large tech companies, not Google due to it's COVID hiring slowdown, and generally there was at least one interviewer that made comments I never, as a white man, have heard from an interviewer. Not outright sexist but things like (paraphrasing) "clearly you must have only worked on part of this project and not do the whole thing." It wasn't a question "which parts did you work on?" but a direct statement questioning her claim to have done the whole project.

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I'm Italian and I speak Spanish and Portuguese relatively fluently. Using the term "Latinx" in my opinion is a form of cultural appropriation, because it imposes a way of using grammatical gender that is typical of the English language (think e.g. about the "singular they") upon neo-latin languages where the perception of grammatical gender is very different. In neo-latin languages such as Italian or Spanish, grammat…

I don't think its cultural appropriation. It's not like people saying that are adapting features from latin people and adding it to their own culture. In fact, it is sort of the opposite. It is people forcing the latin culture into their own framework. Not sure how to term that, but not at all cultural appropriation.

I think you are right, maybe the correct term would be "linguistic imperialism" because it forces something typical of the English language onto a Spanish word?

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Marx wrote about a theory of history in which all of history progresses through phases in which each phase is defined by struggle between classes. His view was that communism was the inevitable end of this model of history in that communism would finally resolve the class struggle. But for somebody who wishes to promote communism, the problem is if there is no class struggle, then history does not advance to their de…

Summarizing what you said (without agreeing) to see if I understood your point correctly. Marxism is the idea of needing class struggle for progress. Cultural Marxism is transposing that from class to culture / ethnicity. Essentially moving the dialectic from worker / captialist to privileged race / non-priviliged race? And the idea is that this is done, not to engender gradual change, but to engender revolutionary c…

Yes, I'd say that summarizes my statement well, where Marx's definition of progress is moving a society towards communism. This is why any time you see somebody talk about "the right side of history" that's a flag that said person is a Marxist, they view their desired communist end-state as inevitable.

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Cultural Marxism is a revolutionary leftist idea that traditional culture is the source of oppression in the modern world. Cultural Marxism is often linked to an insistence upon political correctness, multiculturalism, and perpetual attacks on the foundations of culture: the nuclear family, marriage, patriotism, traditional morality, law and order, etc. Cultural Marxists are assumed to be committed to establishing ec…

Where'd you come up with that definition? MTJ's Twitter?

I don't know, but his list of things cultural marxism stands against could literally be lifted from BLM's web page.

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Black people are currently less educated as a result of systemic racism than their Asain and white counterparts. That would make achieving 12% leadership particularly difficult, since black people are on average less qualified(on paper, at least) relative to applicants from other races.

>Black people are currently less educated as a result of systemic racism than their Asain and white counterparts. but why? end exams are standarized and in my opinion fair

> end exams are standarized and in my opinion fair

there is actually a lot of ongoing discussion about that and there is no resolved consensus on your opinion

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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I'm Italian and I speak Spanish and Portuguese relatively fluently. Using the term "Latinx" in my opinion is a form of cultural appropriation, because it imposes a way of using grammatical gender that is typical of the English language (think e.g. about the "singular they") upon neo-latin languages where the perception of grammatical gender is very different. In neo-latin languages such as Italian or Spanish, grammat…

Learning German for the better part of the last two years, I agree with the thought of your comment. The only way I could wrap my head around the notorious German genders is by divorcing myself of the English concept that gender in language depends completely on the object referred to. Rather, I had to see gender as an arbitrary grammatical category; so just get used to it!

However, I (an armchair linguist, I should note) am also a big adherent to the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis: your language affects your world view. And in terms of gender, there's at least research[1] that shows linguistic gender affects our perception of things. Of course, as with all research, it's open to critique, but I don't have the training for evaluating research in this field. Maybe someone else better equipped could chime in.

Interesting quotes:

> In one study, we asked German and Spanish speakers to describe objects having opposite gender assignment in those two languages. The descriptions they gave differed in a way predicted by grammatical gender. For example, when asked to describe a “key” — a word that is masculine in German and feminine in Spanish — the German speakers were more likely to use words like “hard,” “heavy,” “jagged,” “metal,” “serrated,” and “useful,” whereas Spanish speakers were more likely to say “golden,” “intricate,” “little,” “lovely,” “shiny,” and “tiny.” ... This was true even though all testing was done in English, a language without grammatical gender.

> Look at some famous examples of personification in art — the ways in which abstract entities such as death, sin, victory, or time are given human form. How does an artist decide whether death, say, or time should be painted as a man or a woman? It turns out that in 85 percent of such personifications, whether a male or female figure is chosen is predicted by the grammatical gender of the word in the artist's native language.

The second quote struck me in particular because when I first came across this, I just had a vacation in Paris where I visited the Pantheon. In one of the Pantheon's pillars is a depiction of Death (French: La Mort, feminine) and it struck me as very curious that in this depiction, Death is female. The only other work I knew of to do that was Neil Gaiman's Sandman.

(This is already long enough, but going back to the topic of "Latinx" terms...I don't intend my point above as an endorsement of this practice. In fact I find them quite virtue signalling. I have more thoughts on this but I think the majority of gender (and racial) activism is distracted on bike shedding issues such as using this "x-form". But enough said for now.)

[1] https://www.edge.org/conversation/lera_boroditsky-how-does-o...

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I often hear people I dismiss directly mention cultural marxism. But I have never seen an explanation of what cultural marxism is. Could you enlighten me?

It's recycled nazi propaganda: "Cultural Bolshevism (German: Kulturbolschewismus), sometimes referred to specifically as art Bolshevism, music Bolshevism or sexual Bolshevism, was a term widely used by Nazi German-sponsored critics to denounce modernist and progressive movements in the culture... Cultural Marxism is a contemporary variant of the term which is used to refer to the far-right antisemitic Cultural Marxis…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Unpopular opinion… Could it be that women (in general) want something more in life than working in a big company for a nice wage? Study after study after study show that women want families and other things other than the standard mega corporation employment that society has trained us to expect. I’d bet if one looked at the numbers one would see that women as a whole are leaving google and other companies just as mu…

Google infamously fired a male engineer for speculating on such things.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google's_Ideological_Echo_Ch...

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I think it's super hypocritical to be well paid a company while also trash talking them on Twitter. I wouldn't call that being outspoken.

My intent with saying "Regardless of who you think was in the wrong there" was precisely NOT to re-litigate the entire saga (that's old and played out here). Regardless of who you think was wrong, it had a big effect on black employees' perceptions of their employer.

Not necessarily, you'd probably be surprised that many black employees don't really care about this whole ordeal or affirmative action in general. Which is understandable; if you're confident in your skill set and take pride in your work, the last thing you want to hear is "we hired you for diversity reasons".
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