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The most precious resource is agency

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Re: The most precious resource is agency

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Economics is the new god, the god of materialism. At some point in the 20th century we decided that material prosperity is really all you need for a happy and healthy society. Doesn’t seem to be working out so well…

I never get what motivates people to blame the system here. If you have 150k in the bank you could go to a remote place in the US, take a lowkey job where you work 25 hours a week, and live perfectly fine. No one is stopping you. The only reason you don't do this is because you like nice things, nice food cooked for you, nice immenities, and want your kids to have material prosperity.

Do you have any idea how few people have $150k in the bank?

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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Is it fair to say you're citing identity politics and the presence of ideology as a cause of problems in society? Re identity politics, I'm trans and it helps me a lot. It feels like an intermediate between misogyny and the abolition of the categorization of gender. Focusing on the rights of one group (trans rights, trans liberation now) feels essential. Re the presence of ideology, there is no way to not have an ide…

You're getting at the part that I can expound a bit on :) It's possible to engage with nihilism and say "I'm just going to survive pragmatically". It's related to the "state of nature" many philosophers will refer to as a pre-societal world. You can't have a society that's wholly nihilistic, but you can exist within society nihilistically in degrees, with the far end of that being the "off-grid live in a cabin in the…

that's also really interesting, thanks!

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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>People in the 1970s would have killed for smartphones... Would they? Boomers are famous for being luddites, and a growing minority of millennials now would be more than happy to toss their smartphones if it didn't mean being pushed to the outer of all their social groups. >Streaming media with access to an entire library of movies and television shows is qualitatively better than three analog tv channels and whateve…

Millennials don't apply to an argument about who would have done what in the 70s - every generation has people who don't appreciate the value of what they have, and I don't think everyone in the 70s was an Archie Bunker stereotype. Yes, I'm quite certain there would have been plenty of people who would have seen the value of cellphones and the internet at the time. >The more interesting question, though, is whether o…

>Yes, I'm quite certain there would have been plenty of people who would have seen the value of cellphones and the internet at the time.

And there would have been social media junkies and helicopter parents using it to make their lives worse, too. I doubt it would have been used significantly differently back then.

>But even if one dismisses the value of access to media to quality of life, the degree to which online services (any service, including streaming media) democratize that access compared to the limitations of physical media and gatekept broadcasts

I wasn't alive for the introduction of VHS, but was for the shift from tape to DVD to torrents to Netflix. The amount of media consumed increased dramatically one physical media died, and even that small amount of exercise and social interaction walking around blockbuster and thanking the guy behind the counter has been squeezed out in the name of efficient distribution.

>That seems like an objective improvement to quality of life in the same way that the printing press, internal combustion engine and indoor toilets were.

And yet I literally threw mine away and don't miss it. It was nothing but a distraction that prevented me from doing things I needed to do.

>my niece and nephew have a huge backyard they play in, and my nephew also makes games for his friends on Roblox

That sounds like my wife's upbringing in South Africa. Hardly an ideal to emulate.

>white Christian conservative male Black families have been disintegrating even faster.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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One of the biggest tragedies isn't just that the childhood is wasted, but that many people never learn to have agency once it is available. I'm not saying you need to start your own business or anything like that, but it seems like most people live their lives never questioning the scripts that are given to them. The basic life script we all seem to have in western society seems pretty awful when you think critically…

> we waste all out vitality and youth making other people rich

If you meant "we waste all our vitality and youth" - that's wrong. A US working week is 40 hours, which is less than one fourth of the 168 real hours in a week, and less than half of its waking hours (assuming 9 hours for sleep).

As for the "making other people rich" part - that's a product of you (and other people) making easy decisions in life, like buying on Amazon, searching on Google, using Windows & Facebook, watching Netflix, owning an Android or Apple phone, buying products based on price instead of doing research (or buying locally), not organizing or joining a union, not contacting your representatives about worrying issues, and so on.

Any power structure (companies and governments) will become overrun by bad actors if those inside of (and under) it don't pay attention to it and stay engaged. Americans seem to have been checked out for the past few decades, and now it's coming back to bite us. Not a surprise.

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> No one will probably remember us the way they’ll remember pg. The older I get, the more the whole "legacy"/impact issue seems overhyped; pg (and everyone alive today) is not going to be remembered for long either; perhaps 2 more generations, and it's a wrap. No one is remembered forever. That thought keeps me rooted firmly in the present and on the immediate impact I can have. I have never been into poetry, but bot…

I've always found this goofy copypasta version of the poem to be really funny, because even in the silly voice it assumes, it still manages to capture something of the essence of the piece. Even as written here, that last line has a certain power and resonance: I met a traveller from way the hell off who said: two gigantic, fucked-up rock legs be out there in the middle of goddamn nowhere right next to them covered i…

This gave me a good chuckle

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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It boils down to risk

For me, I had at least the two following choices:

1) Following the straight edge - getting an education, taking a job I enjoy, and work/save for 25 years. I could retire before 60. Low risk, medium reward. 2) Following my dream. Going all in on my passions, and trying to capitalize on them. Maybe if lucky, sell some startup and be able to retire before 40.

The problem, though, is that for each year I'd try and fail at option 2), option 1) also becomes less viable. One year for failure at 2) equals one year worth of savings and returns on investment from option 1).

FWIW, I'm from a wealthy Nordic country (Norway) - and it's not that entrepreneurship is looked down upon here, it's just that the safe option is much more probable, and the pay-off is pretty good.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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It must be weird to read all the fetishization of Scandinavia here? :)

For sure! It gets talked about every now and then, this one generated a bunch https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24886659

I‘m not fetishizing. There is lots of hard evidence that at least the Swedish model is superior to what eg Central European countries have. Our country sends delegations to Sweden to analyze what they are doing better, and maybe get inspired by that. Sorry for throwing Finland into the mix, I probably misremembered.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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There are other types of schooling which are more tailored to the individual. You won’t find them in a public school though, with one teacher schooling 25-30 kids. It’s just not possible to cater to every individual‘s needs in that context. The only way to get more individual schooling is to have well-off parents who send you to a school with smaller classes, and ideally with a more relaxed schedule, like Montessori…

Haha hate to break your bubble but I am born, raised and schooled in Sweden :) I don't live there anymore though, I left as soon as I could, can't stand the place, but that's kind of a side note, lol. Finland and Sweden's schooling systems are very, very different. I wouldn't have enjoyed the Finnish one either, just saying.

You should have a look what public schooling looks like in most other countries, you‘d be surprised how good you had it. The fact that you dreaded school proves nothing.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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>Modern western society is awesome compared to what nearly all of our ancestors lived through. Any sane person would agree with you in the sense that it's definitely better to be alive in 2021 than 1621. If you you shorten the timespan and only look at cultural changes since, say, the 1970s, though, it seems we've sacrificed a lot of what makes us human (community, interconnectedness, a sense of wonder about the futu…

It's self-evident, and the research backs up, that our communities have all but died in the time frame you specified. However, it's not really clear, and the research I've read does not agree, that it is because of free market economics, at least not directly. I think this subject is one of the more important ones to the US right now, and is largely ignored because it makes a lot of ideologies look bad. I'd be curiou…

>I'd be curious what leads you to your accusation.

Part of the reason I blame the free market is because of the timing, but also because many of the functions that used to be performed by the family and community are now performed by businesses.

Specifically, I think the fact that middle-class people in Western countries no longer rely on friends, family and neighbours to meet (or even augment) our material needs has changed the way that we perceive interpersonal relationships on an individual level.

Because most forms of maintaining personal relationships come with real costs (monetary, stress/expectations, time, lost sleep) but minimal tangible benefits outside of the existence of the relationship itself, our "social mammal mental accounting software" discounts their value.

The net result is that we engage with friends, family and neighbours just enough to keep the relationship alive, but no more. We're lonelier, sadder and less fulfilled.

It's pretty bleak, and I'll admit it's a pretty broad stretch of logic, but I think it's at least partially true based on both my own experiences and the conversations I've had with the people I'm close to.

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