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Canada is a warning: more and more of the world will soon be too hot for humans

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Re: Canada is a warning: more and more of the world will soon be too hot for humans

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Post by imtringued »

vfclists wrote: post #18

Typical Guardian fluffy logic. Long on theoretical solutions, short on practicality, the kind of logic privileged Westerners are so fond of. The only way to deal with exercise heat is to redesign buildings, living and work environments to cope with the heat. Climate alarmists always pretend that human beings haven't seen such events and learned to adapt to them. They have, the important thing is learn from the past,…

Yes, it's much cheaper to invest into your domestic military and strengthen your borders. Even in the extreme case where the carrying capacity of earth decreases we just adapt the human population toward the carrying capacity of the earth.

Unfortunately we are in a weird dilemma where using the education of women in foreign countries as contraception could lead to a desire to cross our borders which would require additional military expenditures.

We should applaud China for being the world leader in sterilization and build sterilization centers in Africa and India to follow their example. Prevention is better than the cure (bullets and cremation are expensive).

All these climate alarmists are stupid. All the important people (me) will be fine.

In 2090 Germany will be a nice warm country with 22°C instead of 19°C. Just take a look at this website: https://i.imgur.com/lJJsMiT.png. (poes law)

Re: Canada is a warning: more and more of the world will soon be too hot for humans

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Post by ostenning »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #16
fractallyte wrote: post #8

WTF?? All the time - it's about humans ! We're not the only species on this planet! We don't exist in a vacuum - there is such a thing as an ecological network! What's the fallout for everything else? How many mammals, birds, reptiles, insects died in the recent heatwave? How will this shape ecosystems and biomes? This kind of thinking is part of the problem...

Of course it's about humans. It's always about humans. It happens to be advantageous for us to maintain healthy ecosystems and biomes, but without humans, those things have no meaning. If a dog or a dangerous wild animal attacks an innocent human child, the point-of-view of the dog or wild animal is never considered, even if it acted in self-defense; it is automatically at fault, and destroyed or relocated to prevent…

Doesn’t mean it needs to continue. I think the point is our disregard for anything else but ourselves is what got us into this mess. Arguably it is the key to getting us out of this mess.

Having empathy with all living things, no matter their perceived importance is one of the most noble pursuits I can think of…

One issue we have is a lack of transparency on the things we consume, now that would be a real eye opener for people.

Re: Canada is a warning: more and more of the world will soon be too hot for humans

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Post by hourislate »

HDMI_Cable wrote: post #19
sharken wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As in reality sets in and whatever policy there may be for Covid will have to go and restrictions removed. It's quite a novel idea to link vaccination percentage with reopening, I'm quite glad that a similar plan is not used where I live. https://www.ontario.ca/page/reopening-ontario

Especially considering that it’s summer too. I’m from Ontario and you see counties with 2 million people delay opening because of 25 daily cases.

I'm in Texas and it's making the news here. There are international news sites that are already talking about how crazy it is and that no other place in the world has been closed so long under lock downs? It's starting to resemble the Soviet Union or something, you would think the people would tell the Government to go fuck themselves by now.

Re: Canada is a warning: more and more of the world will soon be too hot for humans

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Post by poulsbohemian »

stragio wrote: post #12
toomuchtodo wrote: post #4

Where will the world not be too hot to live in the next 50-100 years?

https://www.howhotwillitget.com , I made an overview of future climate scenarios of each country worldwide with the latest predictions by the World Bank, maybe this is what you are looking for. :)

This is great work and you are to be commended, but I'm not quite sure what to make of the data... I live in a part of the USA that has been above 100F for the past week and will be again over the next few days (we got a brief respite overnight and today). When I look at the national average of the US in your tool though... it would actually be a slight improvement over my area if those were the averages. As I scanned through a couple countries at random, there were several where I thought "gee, that wouldn't be terrible." So, I don't know if sub-country data is available, but it might make it a bit more real, at least for countries that span large geographic areas.

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Post by nescioquid »

ostenning wrote: post #22
frosted-flakes wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it's about humans. It's always about humans. It happens to be advantageous for us to maintain healthy ecosystems and biomes, but without humans, those things have no meaning. If a dog or a dangerous wild animal attacks an innocent human child, the point-of-view of the dog or wild animal is never considered, even if it acted in self-defense; it is automatically at fault, and destroyed or relocated to prevent…

Doesn’t mean it needs to continue. I think the point is our disregard for anything else but ourselves is what got us into this mess. Arguably it is the key to getting us out of this mess. Having empathy with all living things, no matter their perceived importance is one of the most noble pursuits I can think of… One issue we have is a lack of transparency on the things we consume, now that would be a real eye opener…

If our species survives, this sentiment may become more widespread. If we have to wait for this sentiment to become more common before we, as a species, do anything about climate change, we will be doomed.

One might have thought that a healthy regard for one's own descendants would have provided the motivation to address climate change.

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Post by stragio »

poulsbohemian wrote: post #24
stragio wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.howhotwillitget.com , I made an overview of future climate scenarios of each country worldwide with the latest predictions by the World Bank, maybe this is what you are looking for. :)

This is great work and you are to be commended, but I'm not quite sure what to make of the data... I live in a part of the USA that has been above 100F for the past week and will be again over the next few days (we got a brief respite overnight and today). When I look at the national average of the US in your tool though... it would actually be a slight improvement over my area if those were the averages. As I scanne…

Thanks for the constructive critic! It's the thing I hear often, the data source works with averages, but I believe I should mail them to get more of an understanding.

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Post by canadianfella »

fractallyte wrote: post #8

WTF?? All the time - it's about humans ! We're not the only species on this planet! We don't exist in a vacuum - there is such a thing as an ecological network! What's the fallout for everything else? How many mammals, birds, reptiles, insects died in the recent heatwave? How will this shape ecosystems and biomes? This kind of thinking is part of the problem...

Animals die every day. That’s just what they do. Don’t get so worked up about it.

Re: Canada is a warning: more and more of the world will soon be too hot for humans

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Post by refurb »

lm28469 wrote: post #11
refurb wrote: post #2

Is that really true? I mean human have no problem living in Arizona during the summer. Or countries in the equator where wet bulb temperature hover around 27C. I imagine Canada would be more like the mid latitudes of the US if we saw a 2-4C increase in average temp.

> I mean human have no problem living in Arizona during the summer. If all you do is sleep in an air conditioned home, commute in an air conditioned car, and work in an air conditioned office, then sure, we have "no problem".

Well article says “too hot for humans” so apparently that’s not true.

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Post by Valgrim »

HDMI_Cable wrote: post #20

Note, this is mainly in BC. Canada is incredibly large, with many different climates. So while BC is suffering from these heatwaves, places like Montreal are at 20C and low humidity.

Montreal get heatwaves each year too, reaching 37 celcius last year. Not nearly as high as the current heat wave in the west but dangerous too.

Re: Canada is a warning: more and more of the world will soon be too hot for humans

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Post by fractallyte »

fractallyte wrote: post #8

WTF?? All the time - it's about humans ! We're not the only species on this planet! We don't exist in a vacuum - there is such a thing as an ecological network! What's the fallout for everything else? How many mammals, birds, reptiles, insects died in the recent heatwave? How will this shape ecosystems and biomes? This kind of thinking is part of the problem...

So, downvoted?

The 'Anthropocene' is not just an era of stupidity or ignorance.

It's disgusting arrogance.

Here is the first definition of hubris I found: "(in Greek tragedy) excessive pride towards or defiance of the gods, leading to nemesis."

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