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Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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Post by justshowpost »

nxc18 wrote: post #63
fragbait65 wrote: post #39

Honestly, why bother? The earth isn't dying, the earth will be fine, it will recover over time, humanity on the other hand needs to be reduced. If it isn't climate change, an epidemic or something else, then it will be war over resources some time in the future. On the other hand, climate change will probably lead to war anyway, since resources like water and places to live will decrease from that, so war is probably…

The Chinese have not been successful in getting people to have more children. Recent news is that they may be covering up for the early stages of population decline. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-report-first-popul... Beyond that, the consensus is that population will naturally plateau in the near future, no need for killing people you don’t like. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/17/worlds-po…

Huh? Communist China was (and still is) aiming to have LESS children. Before 2015 they didn't allow more than 1 (one!) child per family. Currently they are allowing 2 (two) children which is below sustainability threshold of 2.4

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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Post by throwawaysea »

throwawayuw wrote: post #177
throwawaysea wrote: post #82

There have been some previous discussions on HN about this weather event in the Pacific Northwest, for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27670739 One thing I want to mention is that it is not known if this heat wave is caused by climate change or not. A UW professor named Cliff Mass, who specializes in climate science and has written books about the weather of the Pacific Northwest, has specifically said (…

Throwaway as well because I've worked with Cliff Mass and am not interested in being at the receiving end of the retaliation that he's known for doling out. Cliff is kind of a pariah among meteorologists and climate scientists. He _loves_ that fact, and revels in this idea that he's the lone genius who got it right while the rest of the community got it wrong on climate change. But he's not viewed as someone who make…

> But he's not viewed as someone who makes credible statements, particularly as they pertain to questions about climate.

Based on what evidence? Cliff Mass is a tenured professor of Atmospheric Science at UW, has written the definitive book on Northwest climate (https://www.amazon.com/Weather-Pacific-Northwest-Cliff-Mass/...), leads the University of Washington Mesoscale Analysis and Forecasting Group, is the chief scientist of the Northwest Modeling Consortium, and is a fellow of the American Meteorological Society.

Your comment seeks to discredit him in the very space he is broadly recognized for as an expert. I can't accept a vague attack on him that provides no supporting evidence. It comes off a lot like the attacks made by extremist climate activists when Cliff Mass corrects their understanding and brings them back to a balanced reality of what is going on.

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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Post by dragonwriter »

justshowpost wrote: post #251
nxc18 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chinese have not been successful in getting people to have more children. Recent news is that they may be covering up for the early stages of population decline. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-report-first-popul... Beyond that, the consensus is that population will naturally plateau in the near future, no need for killing people you don’t like. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/17/worlds-po…

Huh? Communist China was (and still is) aiming to have LESS children. Before 2015 they didn't allow more than 1 (one!) child per family. Currently they are allowing 2 (two) children which is below sustainability threshold of 2.4

> Before 2015 they didn't allow more than 1 (one!) child per family.

Yes, they did. The strict one-child policy (which still had some exceptions) lasted for about the first half of the 1980s.

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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Post by justshowpost »

ArkanExplorer wrote: post #154

There are 241 coal power plants in the USA. Get 50 people chained up in front of the gates, and stop workers and coal coming in. Maintain this human blockade until the last coal power plant is shut down. Ignore arrests and ignore the police. Screw the impact on the 'investment'. The grid will handle the loss of electricity anyway. That's about 12,000 people across the USA who could actively shape the future of humani…

US has enough domestic terrorists already, there is no need for additional 12k eco-terrorists more, thanks.

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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Post by beders »

h4waii wrote: post #205
t0mbstone wrote: post #201

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Sometimes I really wish people would just write things out instead of trying to save time with needless acronyms...

How else will they feign domain expertise unless you are dazzled by jargon?!

You must be new to HN.

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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Post by akiselev »

stavros wrote: post #188
bin_bash wrote: post #163

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Solar doesn’t provide nearly as much energy and for desalination you need a surprising amount. Nuclear is a great use-case since the problem with nuclear is it needs a constant water source. If you’re desalinating you’ve got that problem covered.

Does nuclear need fresh water? I'd imagine salt water would wreck all the equipment, and you probably don't want to use up all the fresh water you generate...

The water is just there for thermal mass to conduct waste heat away from the condenser. The water that gets heated by the reactor core and turns the turbines is isolated and highly purified, since many of the internals can only be accessed during refuels. Some designs go further and separate the reactor coolant system from the steam generator to prevent contamination, but AFAIK there isn't a single commercial design that allows outside water to feed into the reactor cooling or power generation systems. The parts of the condenser that touch the external body of water are basically just blocks of metal that have to be scrubbed on the outside from time to time.

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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Post by justshowpost »

6f8986c3 wrote: post #28
jeffbee wrote: post #15

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Perhaps in the same way the civil engineers signal to south Florida condo boards that their buildings are about to collapse? It's the same problem, really. Collective action by a political body controlled by older people who are trying to just hold on to their wealth until they die is impossible. We need new political structures to write down the capital loss on all the junk we built in the 20th century that has no p…

Environmentalists fought against nuclear power for 70 years. The result? We burned coal. So I’m not interested. You wanted the world to burn. So let it burn.

This! You nailed it.

Actually, the best practical example is environmentalists-crawled Germany vs. energy-exporting France.

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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Post by TiberiusC »

dillondoyle wrote: post #37
andrei_says_ wrote: post #4

Maybe it’s time to signal political leaders that climate collapse is an urgent issue.

I think about 40% of the country has been 'signaling' pretty hard. 30% are actively pushing for more emissions/denial. And the rest are sick of the infighting. Take the bipartisan infrastructure 'agreement' (not final). Republicans refused to do anything but support more cars...

Economic empowerment is the single greatest strategy to improve the climate and that is the entirety of the Republican platform.

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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Post by _carbyau_ »

Klonoar wrote: post #194
_carbyau_ wrote: post #160

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On the one hand, it is easy to see the direct link. OTOH, you can't blame a person - or company - for playing according to the rules of the game. It comes down to: "Why should I eschew a car and take 250% longer to travel places on COVID infested public transport, when my neighbour Bob jumps in his BMW SUV and drives." We need leadership from lawmakers or nothing meaningful will happen.

A bit off topic, but: COVID should not be a reason we eschew public transportation; we already have enough of a stigma against it in the USA. I think last year was understandable why some would shy away from it, but if you'll ride in an airplane I don't see why you would be unwilling to take the train.

I love the idea of public transport. The reality doesn't match the idea though. Same as "drive vs not drive" for climate change, the rules have to change for most people to consistently prefer public transport over using their own car.

Plane vs train? Two different use cases which people would rate differently depending on benefit vs risk/cost.

I can easily see people happy to use a plane to travel long distances with a known set (to the carrier) of people but not want to use a public train with strangers getting on and off at each stop.

Here in Australia where we have limited number of COVID+ people and track'n'trace is feasible it makes a huge difference.

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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Post by PedroBatista »

smusamashah wrote: post #204

I am from Pakistan and have quite a few cities there were temperature goes up to 50 degrees Celsius. I am living in UK these days and feel that UKs cold will kill me. Summer is the only one or two months when I feel alive.

To be fair, even the UK natives feel miserable with their weather. But also try to see things on the bright side, at least you will not get arrested for complaining about the weather like in Kuwait :)
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