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Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by csnover »

prepend wrote: post #297
ljm wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went cold turkey on Amazon a few months back; the only thing I've kept is the TV subscription. What I realised is that it was just a dependency because it was so easy to search for and buy stuff. Nowadays I'll buy from a smaller shop if I need something, but it's more likely that I think "do I actually need this?" and say "no."

Also, Walmart.com has similar prices and selection. Free shipping is $35 though. I’ve had much better results with Walmart packaging and shipping lately.

Their return window is 90 days versus Amazon’s 30 and they actually let you schedule the return pick-up date. Also, their Prime-competitor Walmart+ service[0] ($98/year) has no order minimums.

[0] https://www.walmart.com/plus

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by phonon »

CliffStoll wrote: post #133
seu wrote: post #125

The pointing out that it's a 'foreign' seller seems unnecessary and xenophobic, especially given the fact that it is an American corporation the one that not only allows, but almost incentivizes this behavior.

One of the problems is that many foreign sellers have opaque addresses, through which it's impossible to contact. Specifically, a PinYin address is very difficult to reliably send mail to. Making it worse is that Amazon does not list any email address to contact for their Brand Registry. Together, this means that I have nobody to easily contact.

Can you contact their attorney?

https://uspto.report/TM/90721592/FTK20210522113954#3

From the filing

      244 Fifth Avenue, Suite V284
      New York, New York 10001
      United States
      646-785-1788(phone)
      domee.zhong1@gmail.com
      SECONDARY EMAIL ADDRESS(ES) (COURTESY COPIES): dmtm2020@outlook.com
From the NY bar (only match for that name)

  Attorney Detail Report as of 06/30/2021
  Registration Number: 5054689
  Name: XIAOFANG ZHONG
  Business Name: 
  Business Address: Not on File
  Business Phone: (917) 819-2798
  Email: xiaofangz@hotmail.com
  Date Admitted: 06/19/2012
  Appellate Division Department of Admission: 3rd
  Law School: Temple University Beasley School of Law
  Registration Status: Attorney - Currently Registered
  Next Registration: Nov 2022

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by bobbyi_settv »

Qwertious wrote: post #201
CliffStoll wrote: post #116

Guess I'd better say a few things. First, I deeply appreciate that so many on Hacker News have come out for this. Enough to awaken me from a sound sleep on a Tuesday evening! I don't really care that much about selling Klein bottles over Amazon - it's mainly to reach parents over the holidays. But I do wish that Amazon would do something about this kind of thing. Finally, I"m very low on stocks of glass Klein bottles…

Don't buy this guy's klein bottles, they're a scam - they're only THREE dimensional! Such a rip off. How am I supposed to store a ŷ̶̺̎͌͐̿̽̊́̕ŏ̶̗̈́̓̍̎̃͠g̶̝̺̜̜͋̿̚ͅ-̷̧̛̈́̔́s̷̰̀͌́̈́ơ̷̝̭̫͛́͘ẗ̴̹̱̖̥́h̸̡̡͙̻̀o̸̹̘̾̀͗̇̕t̵̗̠̄̽̈́͑ḧ̵̳̰̩̲͈̜͉̝́́͌͐ in this thing?

Worse, the klein bottles did nothing to remove my black heads

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by mfer »

blairanderson wrote: post #379
CliffStoll wrote: post #116

Guess I'd better say a few things. First, I deeply appreciate that so many on Hacker News have come out for this. Enough to awaken me from a sound sleep on a Tuesday evening! I don't really care that much about selling Klein bottles over Amazon - it's mainly to reach parents over the holidays. But I do wish that Amazon would do something about this kind of thing. Finally, I"m very low on stocks of glass Klein bottles…

Hi Cliff, I'm an independent amazon consultant. Your Amazon problems would be solved with a regular USPTO trademark. They don't recognize common-law trademarks because they are heavily arguable in litigation. USPTO is a database of trademarks already scrutinized by trademark attorneys and government. It's not perfect, but it is a collection that Amazon recognizes. You can do this for $2000-ish and never think about i…

It's kind of sad if the only way to stop having your item listing in Amazon from being hijacked is to trademark.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by eyepulp »

Nicksil wrote: post #11

This seems completely insane to me. How is this possible? I like Cliff Stoll and have been looking forward to my first Klein bottle purchase for some years now, so I say this without any insinuation Cliff's not telling the whole story: There's got to be more to it than this, right? Can someone really go on Amazon, effectively take over someone's storefront, and completely ransack the place this easily? Because Cliff…

Are you saying Cliff's claims are too...

one-sided?

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by Accujack »

hhh wrote: post #389
blairanderson wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Cliff, I'm an independent amazon consultant. Your Amazon problems would be solved with a regular USPTO trademark. They don't recognize common-law trademarks because they are heavily arguable in litigation. USPTO is a database of trademarks already scrutinized by trademark attorneys and government. It's not perfect, but it is a collection that Amazon recognizes. You can do this for $2000-ish and never think about i…

While this would probably work , it seems insane to me that this would be the only thing to protect his listing from a completely different category of product being merged with another.

You're not wrong.

Because Amazon's system is insane unless you realize it's designed only for the benefit of the corporation, not for any kind of fairness or quality.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by dcdc123 »

1-6 wrote: post #372
rickspencer3 wrote: post #362

We're finally going to not renew our Amazon Prime after many years. We don't have that much need for "free" shipping on cheap Chinese products, and the convenience of the Amazon marketplace is now counter-balanced by the inconvenience of sorting out the fake goods and fake reviews. We are choosing sellers' own marketplaces when we can these days, and just dealing with longer and paid shipping. Additionally, we are fi…

Welcome to the other side. I haven't renewed Amazon Prime in quite a while. It's not that bad because you can still shop on Amazon with free shipping as long as you hit the minimum amount. I may keep things in the cart and sometimes it becomes a reminder for me to grab those items at the local shop. The only time I get an 'itch' to get back on Prime when I'm at Whole Foods. Other than that, goodbye free shipping!

I am thinking about canceling as well but I am a nomad and need to be able to have things shipped to Amazon lockers. Do they still allow that without a Prime subscription?

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by webmobdev »

bombcar wrote: post #326
webmobdev wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon tacitly supports this scam because it only cares about sales. It doesn't really care about the sellers. It also knows that positive reviews have a huge influence in increasing sales, and negative reviews really dampens sales. This is why Amazon also allows what I call Product Page Hijacking . How this works is, Amazon allows multiple models or variants of a product to be listed on the same page, so that all th…

The router issue is even more insidious as the vendors may not even know which version they have as the manufacturer considers them all identical even though they can be entirely different.

I don't think it has reached that stage though - so far, they have been clearly labelling the full model name of the product on the box and / or on the product. (I think it may be illegal for them to do otherwise as they have to obtain various certifications when they ship the product). So the vendors do know what products they have. It is kind of deceptive advertising on Amazon - they deliberately mislabel the product model by not including the version number (which is actually part of the model name).

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by ggerules »

CliffStoll wrote: post #116

Guess I'd better say a few things. First, I deeply appreciate that so many on Hacker News have come out for this. Enough to awaken me from a sound sleep on a Tuesday evening! I don't really care that much about selling Klein bottles over Amazon - it's mainly to reach parents over the holidays. But I do wish that Amazon would do something about this kind of thing. Finally, I"m very low on stocks of glass Klein bottles…

Cliff, Thanks for being in this world. I still own my hardback copy of "The Cuckoo's Egg" from 30 some odd years ago. I also talk about the events that unfolded in that book to my students! It's a great story!
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