This is essentially what I do, and I enjoy it! I like my work to be a bit boring so that I can save my energy and creativity for things outside of work. I convert designs into functional websites. Somebody recently likened my job to being a construction worker or general contractor. Maybe 2-3 times a year I get something challenging, and I either jump at the chance to learn something new (if it’s something interesting or for a client I like) or I dread it (if the documentation is unclear or the client is exceptionally difficult).
Ask HN: What should I say to my manager when my performance starts suffering?
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Re: Ask HN: What should I say to my manager when my performance starts suffering?
#92Ask for a pay raise. Then they'll think you're competent just because they pay you more.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Please don't assume the question is "disingenuous." It's an invitation to talk about what's going on, and bring the manager into the loop. Most managers really do want to help! ^ That's a very important reply. Whenever I send one of those messages like OP quoted, what I really mean is to ask if there's anything I can do to help. A manager is not an old-school "boss" responsible for cracking the whip. Managers exist…
Why not ask direct & clear then? I also think it sounds disingenuous. This kind of passive-aggression is what “cracking the whip” feels like for employees.
I can reassure the person if they want, but they have to tell me they need reassurance before, or I have to at least detect they're uncomfortable. I'm not gonna go to every employee and say "ok just so you know, I'm not thinking about firing you". That's even weirder!
Re: Ask HN: What should I say to my manager when my performance starts suffering?
#94If it lands them in unemployment it was likely inevitable in the short term anyway.
As soon as "that feeling" starts, best to keep up with the local job market and be ready to fire off job applications at a moments notice, especially if the money is needed.
As regards to maintaining output in mundane work, I think churn is just 'the cost of doing business'. There's always new as-yet-un-jaded graduates making their way into the jobs market.
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#95I'm really glad to see this discussion on Hacker News. I'd like to point out that this is a two sided coin. I manage people and I am having a hard time with one direct report whose performance is not up to the mark. I've raised the problems gently but seems like the message isn't getting across. If anyone has any book suggestions on how to have some of these conversations and improve performance, I'd really appreciat…
I wish someone would just clearly tell me if I'm doing bad. Something along the lines of "we think you haven't been performing as well as you used to lately" would be awesome to hear. (Sure it ruins my day, but it might fix a problem before I lose my job.) I'm just not sure if I'm doing well in my job, if I am tell me, if I'm not tell me, just be honest.
Also make sure to qualify this with actual examples of underperformance:
“In March you gave a three-week estimate for roadmap item X, but it wasn’t completed until June. Amy from team Y reached out to me several times with questions about its status, so communication hasn’t been up to your usual standard.”
If the manager doesn’t give the report something concrete to reflect on, they will only create more vague angst and frustration that will accelerate that person’s exit plans.
Re: Ask HN: What should I say to my manager when my performance starts suffering?
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have to be extremely senior these days to be in a position where they actually let you solve problems of any kind. (The paradox is: At that level of seniority, you are no longer capable of actually seeing the problems). I'm a software engineer with a Ph.D. from an elite university and 10 years experience. For me it has consistently gone like this for the past 10 years, and that was in a huge variety of different…
> Manager: That's perfectly fine. What compels you to keep on talking after this point? Take your 93 days and do the refactor that you wanted to do.
Now being a techie in a non-tech environment is different (see other subthread).
Re: Ask HN: What should I say to my manager when my performance starts suffering?
#97A job is a means to an end -- nothing more. If you are one of the lucky few that truly enjoy their 9-5 then count your blessings. For the rest of us, we cannot rely on our career to live a fulfilling life. Depression and mental health are not to be taken lightly and often lead to declining work performance. Accept that a job is just that -- a job. Encourage your colleagues who may be down in the dumps to stimulate their spirits outside of work and hopefully the rest will follow.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have to be extremely senior these days to be in a position where they actually let you solve problems of any kind. (The paradox is: At that level of seniority, you are no longer capable of actually seeing the problems). I'm a software engineer with a Ph.D. from an elite university and 10 years experience. For me it has consistently gone like this for the past 10 years, and that was in a huge variety of different…
Why are you discussing how you're going to implement a change with your manager? In your scenario, the "better" way appears to require the same time anyway so just present that as the only way to do it.
I have never given an estimate that was not later called into question and asked to be reduced. Usually much sooner in fact.
In many cases, asking for an estimate is fishing for a way to make the problem easier to solve. But they don't really want to make the problem easier to solve, they just want to get it done quicker (with no regard for whether or not it makes the next problem harder to get this problem done the quicker way.)
Really nobody is thinking this hard about it though, it's basically the "quarterly earnings report" problem. If we don't look good this quarter, then there's not much hope for next quarter, since we already told the boss this one would be done this quarter, and have started talking about what they'll want next quarter, though we're not ready to talk with you about that because they could change their mind at any time, so "93 days" sounds absolutely perfect, as you'll be ready for more soul crushing just in time for next quarter.
Re: Ask HN: What should I say to my manager when my performance starts suffering?
#100Once she gets back from her time off, she'll get to the more practical side of things. Companies retain employees for even tedious labor because of labor supply and demand forces. Those forces are strong enough in the direction of labor for certain technical vocations that labor has the advantage.
For others, the reverse is sometimes true. You may be seeing that play out in action right now.