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Re: Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible

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Or NFC in your phone. I can't imagine it being more convenient than that.

NFC on my watch is in fact more convenient than NFC on my phone. The difference is slight, but real.

Is there a good smart watch that's not an iWatch?

Re: Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible

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First: I am from germany, so, my perspective may differ from other parts of the world... and due to the pandemic, my last meal eaten in an restaurant was in the early beginnig of 2020. But i really never, never encountered a menu via QR Code... why would anyone want this?! If you are going to eat out, then it is (at least with the people i know) considered ab-so-lu-tely rude to even get your phone out (unless you are…

I totally agree with you and your friends, but we're losing this fight. Which I find sad...

Re: Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible

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In Sweden the QR menues tend to be based on Facebook messenger. The restaurants that use this system also tend to push very hard for avoiding manual orders and payments. It is a complete farce every time, since most of the people I go out with don't use Facebook. We are usually not the only patrons annoyed by this, so I hope they give up soon. I will never go pack to a place that don't let me order normally.

Re: Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible

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The worst aspect of QR codes as menu replacements is that they are a huge security risk. Who’s to say that QR code is legit? You can’t tell from looking at it. The trouble is compounded by the common practice of restaurants using some third-party service hosted off-site. The domain is no longer a trust signal either. It’s only a matter of time before someone starts snarfing information or credit card numbers this way…

It certainly crossed my mind to print up some QR Code stickers that connect you to a wifi network named %p%s%s%s%s%n when you scan them, to slap over random ones around...

http://api.qrserver.com/v1/create-qr-code/?color=000000&bgco...

Re: Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible

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How do you do MITM SSL when pretty much every secure app use key pinning.

Exactly, on iOS it's not easy, on Android it's far easier because the OS listens to you, not Apple or Google, and it's far easier to root Android than it is to jailbreak iOS, or run an open source fork like LineageOS and run the same apps on that. You can (a) decompile the app, mod it, recompile it, sign it, and then execute it (b) modify the OS to not care about app signatures (c) bypass it with Xposed hooks, ... lo…

I find hard to believe that you can decompile any app that has bothered implementing key pinning (which I always assumed is done at app level, not OS).

Re: Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible

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But if a malicious QR code led to a website that asked diners to pay for their meal at the point that they ordered it, how many of them would?

Setting up a scam payment processing account for that doesn't seem worth the effort when it's going to be reported for fraud basically immediately.

"To pay for your 1 x Cheeseburger add egg, please purchase a $10 iTunes gift card and enter the code here: [_______________]"

Re: Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible

#108

First: I am from germany, so, my perspective may differ from other parts of the world... and due to the pandemic, my last meal eaten in an restaurant was in the early beginnig of 2020. But i really never, never encountered a menu via QR Code... why would anyone want this?! If you are going to eat out, then it is (at least with the people i know) considered ab-so-lu-tely rude to even get your phone out (unless you are…

I totally agree with you and your friends, but we're losing this fight. Which I find sad...

The good thing is: Even IF this trend carries on, there will always be the niche of the restaurants / cafes with big "no mobile phones allowed" stickers on the door (i know at least a couple of these even now...).

Re: Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible

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> First of all it takes a shitton of steps to scan a QR code if you don't have WeChat Not really, on most real devices. > On a default Android device you have to click 7 or 8 times to get into the QR scanner thingy inside Google Lens. Perhaps, on stock Android with no manufacturer special apps. But the Samsung, Google, and LG Camera apps, at least, have “point at a QR code and the camera reads it”, so it takes as man…

Hm, I have a Pixel 5 and it most certainly doesn't do that. Nothing happens. https://i.imgur.com/kjFEwiR.jpg Then again, starting about 5 weeks ago it also stopped responding to "OK Google" and 3 weeks ago it stopped announcing turn-by-turn directions during GPS navigation so I guess this is the state of tech in 2021 :-/ (Definitely don't want an Apple device though, massive privacy issue for me to use a closed sourc…

I think you have this backwards? Its much easier to bypass cert pinning and MITM a local process on an Apple device. Disable SIP on Mac OS or jailbreak an iPhone (15 minutes on almost the latest iOS), ‘lldb attach’ and away you swizzle.

Re: Bring back menus, QR codes are terrible

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post #83

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> First of all it takes a shitton of steps to scan a QR code if you don't have WeChat Not really, on most real devices. > On a default Android device you have to click 7 or 8 times to get into the QR scanner thingy inside Google Lens. Perhaps, on stock Android with no manufacturer special apps. But the Samsung, Google, and LG Camera apps, at least, have “point at a QR code and the camera reads it”, so it takes as man…

Hm, I have a Pixel 5 and it most certainly doesn't do that. Nothing happens. https://i.imgur.com/kjFEwiR.jpg Then again, starting about 5 weeks ago it also stopped responding to "OK Google" and 3 weeks ago it stopped announcing turn-by-turn directions during GPS navigation so I guess this is the state of tech in 2021 :-/ (Definitely don't want an Apple device though, massive privacy issue for me to use a closed sourc…

Pixel user here too. You have to enable "Google Lens suggestions" in the camera settings for it to read QR codes automatically.

Drop down menu > Camera Settings > Google Lens suggestions.

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