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Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Yup, that's true. And the things we were focussing on are good. They're just not everything.

That's what they said back when butter would kill you and margarine was the solution.

I don't get it. You're saying we shouldn't bother to improve things because they still won't be perfect?

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Generally the finer specimens go to the whole products.

They are entirely different strains when it comes to tomato cultivation at industrial scale. A tomato that ends up in a sauce or frozen never had the option to make it to the store while whole.

I was talking about e.g. whole tomatoes vs. crushed tomatoes vs. diced tomatoes vs. tomato sauce.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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From the source: "The high rate of magnesium deficiency now postulated [5,6,7,8] can be attributed in part to a steady decline in general magnesium content in cultivated fruits and vegetables, a reflection of the observed depletion of magnesium in soil over the past 100 years [11,12,13]. A report to Congress was already sounding the alarm as far back as the 1930s, pointing out the paucity of magnesium, and other mine…

Interesting. I recently started using Magnesium Glycinate as a supplement and I feel it truly changed my life, not exaggerating. I’ve suffered from chronic general anxiety for most of my teens and adult life. Magnesium has completely cleared this up, things I thought were just part of my personality (being anxious and other associated things) were actually due to a chronic magnesium deficiency. I just have to make su…

Ok, your comment is shocking to me: I've been having annoying muscle twitches lately (probably from drinking lots of coffee), and one thing I found online was that magnesium supplements could help. I eventually ended up trying it, but the twitches just keep getting worse and worse; I didn't realize until now the magnesium is probably what is worsening things. Could anyone ELI5 what' the relationship between calcium, magnesium and muscle twitches?

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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That's what they said back when butter would kill you and margarine was the solution.

I don't get it. You're saying we shouldn't bother to improve things because they still won't be perfect?

I'm saying we don't necessarily know good from bad and have fantastic amount of ignorance still about food and nutrition.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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I wonder if there's a relationship to the obesity epidemic, especially since it's not just humans that are getting larger but also lab animals, pets, and wild animals living close to humans [1]. What if we're compelled to eat more calories when we're not getting enough nutrients in our diets? This would impact any animals consuming lower quality fruits and vegetables. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/news.2010.628

Anecdotally, this has been my personal experience. I have gone through phases of my life where I ate a lot of junk food. I would feel constantly hungry during those phases, until I ate something nutritious, green and easily-digestible, like steamed broccoli or green peas.

Pretty widely known effect of sugars on the body. The more simple, processed carbs you eat, the more hunger you feel. Easy enough to test out: stop all simple carbs for 2-4 weeks, observe the results. If you're deep into carbs or junk food, there will be withdrawal symptoms from the sugar addiction. After a month, you'll notice you don't crave any sugars, and you'll feel significantly less hungry on a regular basis.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Or, just have 2 billion people on the planet, instead of 8.

You're welcome to take the lead and do your part to move the planet one step closer then.

I've done exactly that. I've done my part by actively deciding to not have children. By doing so I've stopped the creation of an entire tree of exponential human population growth in the form of my (lack of) descendents. It's unquestionably the most effective way an individual can reduce the negative impact of humans on the planet.

Your humorous implication that suicide would be effective has some merit, but only for individuals who have not reproduced already.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Or, just have 2 billion people on the planet, instead of 8.

Why do people always arrive at "cull the herd" before "our way of life should change"?

Because reducing each human's consumption by X% is always going to be less effective than flattening the exponential curve of population growth. It's not even close. Especially when the global trend is towards higher per capita consumption rather than the reverse. Reusing grocery bags in the US (hey I do it too) is nothing compared to the mass modernization going on in huge areas of the world.

And "culling" (I assume you mean through violent means) isn't necessary. Simply reducing birth rates achieves the same solution.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Such obvious truths are unfortunately incompatible with individual instincts to procreate.

Research who pollute/consume to most. One average American has the impact of many Africans, so some may have many children if they continue not to ruin the planet. And please compare the impact of top 10% richest US households vs the bottom 50%. Quality > quantity.

Look at the lives of people who live in the large cities of Africa surviving on $3 a day. They consume less because they can't afford to do otherwise. They live in poverty. Their reduced per capita consumption does not stem from, as is subtly implied by these arguments, some simpler way of life that we could try to get back to if only we strived for simplicity. They just can't afford to replace their (for example) broken, hacked, and welded 30 year old bicycle rim that serves them poorly. When the opportunity arises to afford a new rim, they do it. They consume by the same processes we do.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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sometimes a pizza or a coke is not a bad thing you know. if you put all the bad stuff away, there might just come the time when your kids have enough of your rules and rebel and then begin to compensate and overuse those stuff. been there, done that

Just don't normalize shitty food as something you eat casually, teach your kids to enjoy it like alcohol. A little every so often is fine, too much too often is bad.

precisely.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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This is a very important question, in my opinion. I am going to check how the amounts are calculated.

Please report back!!

Terrible availability of information regarding this. For some countries in Europe there is this regulation: https://ec.europa.eu/food/food/labelling-and-nutrition_en

but it does not say how or where this information is taken from.

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