The 'Fuck You' Pattern • Hacker News Board

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by c7DJTLrn » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 8:55 PM UTC

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #57

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

If that's the case then Instagram should not entice people in by temporarily granting access. It should be upfront about requiring an account.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by meepmorp » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 8:57 PM UTC

w0de0 wrote: post #122

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #57

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

"All of this is for the very best end, for if there is a volcano at Lisbon, it could be in no other spot; for it is impossible but things should be as they are, for everything is for the best."

Pangloss knew what was up

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by caf » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 8:57 PM UTC

beachy wrote: post #58

fishtoaster wrote: post #37

I'm glad we now have a name for this. If I may take a stab at a more formal, reusable definition of the Fuck You pattern: A UI pattern whereby content a user wants is provided, then yanked away before it can be consumed, to be replaced by a demand for something the site wants (log in, sign up, subscribe, pay, etc). It's distinct from merely providing a limited amount of content in the first place, as when a site offe…

Maybe that should be the Yanker pattern, since there are certainly many more scummy behaviours that merit the Fuck You label.

I suggest the Lucy pattern (as in the football running gag from Peanuts).

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#144

Post by newacct583 » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 8:57 PM UTC

tgtweak wrote: post #48

klyrs wrote: post #13

I love instagram. It's the best social media site. Last time I checked, I couldn't even make an account from my desktop computer. I'm not gonna even try to install their app on my G-free phone. When a friends sends me a link to Instagram, I know that I don't need to click on it -- the thumbnail contains all the information that I'd ever see without creating an account. When news articles consist of a bunch of embedde…

Pinterest and Reddit are not better these days. The amount of things you can view on reddit on your phone without creating an account or installing the app is dwindling daily. Every time my wife sends me a Pinterest link I just ask her to screenshot it as I can't see shit on the default mobile page. I don't even know why Google continues to allow them in the results when there is clear-cut policies around showing som…

> The amount of things you can view on reddit on your phone without creating an account or installing the app is dwindling daily.

Like what? The phone browser works just great. IIRC there's a nag dialog that prompts you once to install the app, then it caches the answer and shuts up.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by guscost » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 8:57 PM UTC

specialist wrote: post #133

klyrs wrote: post #13

I love instagram. It's the best social media site. Last time I checked, I couldn't even make an account from my desktop computer. I'm not gonna even try to install their app on my G-free phone. When a friends sends me a link to Instagram, I know that I don't need to click on it -- the thumbnail contains all the information that I'd ever see without creating an account. When news articles consist of a bunch of embedde…

I organize a puppy meetup. Right now via a group SMS. Sub-optimal. Sharing event pics is flakey (mix of android and ios). The responses (LOL, hearts, etc) become their own text messages (?!). Etc. Since some of us have Instagram, I thought to try it, if only to share pics. Sign up was brutal. I can't figure out how to use my phone account on my desktop. Sharing existing pics sucks . Taking pics with Instagram sucks .…

Most people don’t really use Instagram, it’s more like Instagram uses them.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#146

Post by beaconstudios » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 8:58 PM UTC

marto1 wrote: post #107

fullstop wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

old.reddit.com is still around, for now, and does not have any of this garbage.

And you just KNOW it's going to disappear. Not immediately of course, some slight visual breakages here and there. Then some hotshot manager is going to point out how it doesn't bring any "value" to the company and how in fact it actually hurts reddit's image. Then it will be gone.

And then somebody makes a substitute UI that calls the api, then reddit tries to take it down, then someone builds an open source version, then github gets a C&D letter and the creator makes blog post about it that reaches the front page of HN. I'm looking forward to the journey.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by skillpass » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 8:58 PM UTC

I use a Vim extension in my browser which converts 'j' and 'k' into scroll keys. I've found that on many sites which employ the modal overlay and suppress scrolling I can still scroll around using these keys even when arrow keys and mouse scrolling don't work.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by eitland » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 8:58 PM UTC

tgtweak wrote: post #48

klyrs wrote: post #13

I love instagram. It's the best social media site. Last time I checked, I couldn't even make an account from my desktop computer. I'm not gonna even try to install their app on my G-free phone. When a friends sends me a link to Instagram, I know that I don't need to click on it -- the thumbnail contains all the information that I'd ever see without creating an account. When news articles consist of a bunch of embedde…

Pinterest and Reddit are not better these days. The amount of things you can view on reddit on your phone without creating an account or installing the app is dwindling daily. Every time my wife sends me a Pinterest link I just ask her to screenshot it as I can't see shit on the default mobile page. I don't even know why Google continues to allow them in the results when there is clear-cut policies around showing som…

> Ironically, a good workaround is setting your user agent to the Googlebot and suddenly all those modal/nag screens disappear.

Hmmmm. Now that I think of it I'm fairly sure that serving different content to Googlebot compared to what you served ordinary users used to be a good way to call down the wrath of the SEO master upon your (or your clients) website.

Then again, that was before. Back when Google was a nice company and acted in the best interest of its users.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#149

Post by wnkrshm » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 8:58 PM UTC

EamonnMR wrote: post #116

tgtweak wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pinterest and Reddit are not better these days. The amount of things you can view on reddit on your phone without creating an account or installing the app is dwindling daily. Every time my wife sends me a Pinterest link I just ask her to screenshot it as I can't see shit on the default mobile page. I don't even know why Google continues to allow them in the results when there is clear-cut policies around showing som…

Pinterest is by the far the worst because it takes content from the rest of the world and strips away all context. It's the anti-wikipedia, an information black hole.

I hate Pinterest with a passion. If you want to find reference images for whatever topic, all you get is the medium res crap with a 'make an account' pop-up instead of the original source they stole it from. I think alphabet or whatever will acquire it in the near future (or have they already?) because there is just no other explanation for letting Pinterest poison image search that much.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by jamal-kumar » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 8:58 PM UTC

specialist wrote: post #133

klyrs wrote: post #13

I love instagram. It's the best social media site. Last time I checked, I couldn't even make an account from my desktop computer. I'm not gonna even try to install their app on my G-free phone. When a friends sends me a link to Instagram, I know that I don't need to click on it -- the thumbnail contains all the information that I'd ever see without creating an account. When news articles consist of a bunch of embedde…

I organize a puppy meetup. Right now via a group SMS. Sub-optimal. Sharing event pics is flakey (mix of android and ios). The responses (LOL, hearts, etc) become their own text messages (?!). Etc. Since some of us have Instagram, I thought to try it, if only to share pics. Sign up was brutal. I can't figure out how to use my phone account on my desktop. Sharing existing pics sucks . Taking pics with Instagram sucks .…

Cute babes. It's like the point of contact now for them because none of them want to be on facebook with their mom commenting dumb shit on their page.

if it wasn't for them i would so delete this shit