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The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by xiphias2 »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #57

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

Facebook/Mark Zuckeberg didn't spend $1B on the infrastructure of Instagram. He bought the network effect that he knew is impossible to beat by a better product.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by hhs »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #57

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

Seems this would fit with surveillance capitalism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by specialist »

klyrs wrote: post #13

I love instagram. It's the best social media site. Last time I checked, I couldn't even make an account from my desktop computer. I'm not gonna even try to install their app on my G-free phone. When a friends sends me a link to Instagram, I know that I don't need to click on it -- the thumbnail contains all the information that I'd ever see without creating an account. When news articles consist of a bunch of embedde…

I organize a puppy meetup. Right now via a group SMS. Sub-optimal. Sharing event pics is flakey (mix of android and ios). The responses (LOL, hearts, etc) become their own text messages (?!). Etc.

Since some of us have Instagram, I thought to try it, if only to share pics. Sign up was brutal. I can't figure out how to use my phone account on my desktop. Sharing existing pics sucks. Taking pics with Instagram sucks.

I can't even figure out how to simply browse a friend's feed.

I legit can't imagine why anyone uses Instagram, for any purpose.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by handrous »

NavinF wrote: post #103
pram wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best part is clicking a link, loading a page, and it just says “Something broke” Twitter does this too. How the fuck is it even possible?

Glad it's not just me. Twitter seems to break more often when a page is loaded from the browser cache, but I can't pin down any other pattern for the “Something broke” errors on both mobile and desktop. Will Twitter ever have more than two 9s of reliability as measured from the user's POV?

Oh, I just posted a question about this elsewhere in the thread. I've come to assume this is intentional and probably doesn't happen if you're logged in or using the app (though I don't know). It's been like this for years. Like every time I follow a link to Twitter I seem to get a random roll whether it works, and same random roll on each refresh. After n refreshes, where n may be 0-10, it works. Browsing the site doesn't do this.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by stevenwoo »

binarymax wrote: post #32
colordrops wrote: post #3

Another fuck you pattern from Instagram is hiding the keyboard when you go to search for a user to encourage you to get distracted and tap on a suggestion rather than what you were searching for. You have to tap search three times to actually see the keyboard. It has to be intentional because it's been happening for years.

IMDB is doing this now too. Infuriating.

I scrape imdb for some personal web pages and imdb has the weirdest things now to prevent scraping like custom media viewers and obscuring most of plain text inside deep, almost indistinguishable hierarchies.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by tbrock »

Im not sure why this person would expect to see the content while logged out. Shrug.

Its part of a social network, if everyone was lurking it would just be a bunch of creepers. The product shows who viewed a post/story/reel etc and can't do that if you arent logged in.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by derangedHorse »

andai wrote: post #127
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #57

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

Kinda offtopic but Instagram's ads changed my attitude towards ads, and my attitude towards Facebook's creepy level of insight into my life and personality. If they have that data anyway -- and hundreds of companies do -- I might as well benefit from it, and Instagram's ads were the first ones that I actually found interesting. First of all, it was obvious when something was an ad. Second, they weren't intrusive or o…

I second this, the only ads I’ve ever willingly clicked/tapped on with the intention of buying were from Instagram

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by ineedasername »

EamonnMR wrote: post #116
tgtweak wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pinterest and Reddit are not better these days. The amount of things you can view on reddit on your phone without creating an account or installing the app is dwindling daily. Every time my wife sends me a Pinterest link I just ask her to screenshot it as I can't see shit on the default mobile page. I don't even know why Google continues to allow them in the results when there is clear-cut policies around showing som…

Pinterest is by the far the worst because it takes content from the rest of the world and strips away all context. It's the anti-wikipedia, an information black hole.

I couldn't put my vague dislike for Pinterest into words until this: you have it exactly.
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