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Post by salt-thrower »

Noos wrote: post #219
devy wrote: post #10

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The greenest protein factory is the one that we don't have to build - even if it's 99% less land or 80% fewer greenhouse emissions than the traditional farming of cows, sheep and poultry. It's actually this: https://interestingengineering.com/the-explosion-of-insect-p...

It's always fun with these kinds of posts, because people never think what their total progressive future will be like. No cars, no pets, eating bugs for protein, taxed to shit to provide a social safety net, forced to clump up in cities for efficiency. Probably a lot more than that. Being an eco-serf.

This is the kind of sentiment that watching too many Alex Jones documentaries will give you. It's funny that you think places like America, which can't even manage to legislate sensible climate-saving policies, would ever get to an extremist state of banning cars and pets, or forcing you to eat bugs for protein. You are laughably out of touch with reality.

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Post by eloff »

Falling3 wrote: post #247
eloff wrote: post #163

I'm not sure vegans would touch this, but they've always been more akin to a religion than a diet. Vegetarians would largely go for this I think. I'd be very happy if could get meat that was cheaper, safer, cleaner, and didn't have animal cruelty issues. This is the future. Also does anyone else here remember the beef vats in Call to Power, the civilization knockoff game? It really feels like I'm living in the future…

Veganism is neither a religion nor a diet; it's a philosophy that impact various areas of consumption and usage beyond just food. As a vegan, I'm thrilled about the prospect of this. This is the only realistic route to anything resembling the cessation of large scale animal farming.

Question though, would you personally eat it? Do you think other vegans might?

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Post by henrikschroder »

nmz wrote: post #154
Jeff_Brown wrote: post #140

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The ironic counter-ads will be viscious: "Be a real man! Risk getting sick from one of our real burgers! Each one is made from the hormone-pumped flesh of a real baby cow that never knew its real mom!"

So basically White Castle?

"Think smaller. More legs."

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Post by genericone »

ethanbond wrote: post #2

> Future Meat Technologies says this facility requires 96-percent less freshwater than livestock production, as well as using 99-percent less land and producing 80-percent fewer greenhouse emissions. Even accounting for PR hyperbole, it is so apparent at this point that any country who chooses not to board this train will be at the mercy of those who do. This is a national security issue. We can choose to curse our y…

Depending on the capital requirements and cost of these facilities, and imagining them as semiconductor fab type facilities, a nation would really be putting all their eggs in one basket if their protein security relies on just a few dozen such facilities across the country. This major centralization could be done in by one ransomware attack or activist employee , whereas the decentralized protein production by tens of thousands of producers today is far less susceptible. Once food security becomes tech-driven, its something to worry about.

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Post by InitialLastName »

gowld wrote: post #248
growt wrote: post #137

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A quick google search told me that 12 US presidents where slave owners. So far I think none of their statues have been torn down because of the fact although slavery is almost universally outlawed and condemned. For shorter term analogies I think something like gay-marriage fits. "Progressive" countries allow it, while the more "backwards" or religious countries fight it. I guess it will play out something like this…

Andrew Jackson is being cancelle^Wremoved from the $20. It might not be a coincidence that he was targetted as being perhaps the most racist genocidal President. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_twenty-dollar_bi...

His (undoubted) role in the Trail of Tears aside, it's not at all clear why Andrew Jackson belongs on money anyway. As far as I've read, it's not even clear how the decision to put him on the $20 was made, except that one fan of his at the mint thought he should be.

All that not to mention, it's ridiculous to be putting someone who didn't think the US should have a central bank on the US's money.

Statues, money, and the like are how we communicate to the world and ourselves reminders of those whose lives we find worth emulating. As our morals change and we start to find things like slavery, forced death-marches and ethnic cleansing abhorrent, is it really wrong for us to update our imagery of whose lives we should emulate? At least to stop idolizing those people who were most notable for, or even raised arms in insurrection in support of, those acts?

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Post by tomp »

distribot wrote: post #178
tomp wrote: post #141

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When it comes to food, I use the following criteria: could I make it myself in my kitchen? (Some "minimal processsing" like fermentation and curing therefore fall under "natural".) I'm pretty sure the answer is "no" for most of the plant-based fake meat. It's also "no" for McDonald's burger so I'm not just hating on plants.

I understand this conversation is about Beyond Meat kinda stuff, but it's isn't no for the two oldest and most popular fake meats--tofu and seitan. And yet tofu especially gets beat up in terms of fake vs natural.

Tofu and seitan get "beat up" because (1) tofu is soy and seitan is gluten (many people dislike those, for various reasons), (2) they're often used to mimic (fake) meat, not made into creative meals of their own, and (3) for me personally, tofu is extremely bland.

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Post by wccrawford »

detritus wrote: post #238
wccrawford wrote: post #94

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>At this point, the facility is already able to produce lamb, chicken, and pork products without using genetic modification or animal serum. Future Meat says that it will soon also be able to start production on beef, too. So, they're not producing it commercially, but they can do pork. I'd say the day is inevitable at this point.

That's interesting - I thought that fat was the trickier element to replicate, which is a more important dimension in pork and beef. Now then, the interesting question for an Israeli-company - would producing and then consuming synthetic pork be Kosher?

I wasn't surprised to see that beef was left out initially. Even without the religious objection, they aren't likely to have much of a market for vat-beef locally because cow-beef isn't desired locally.

But once they go more global, there's a really big market for vat-beef.

And I would love to know of the religious implications of this as well... Both for cow and pig, for various religions and other beliefs, such as veganism.

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Post by iammisc »

analog31 wrote: post #261
iammisc wrote: post #149

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I don't disagree. I understand arguments for less meat. What I don't understand is abolition...that's just silly and a huge environmental catastrophe.

How is it a catastrophe? Why does the environment need domesticated livestock? Why does the food chain need us to be a predator?

To be able to produce the calories currently made by meat using relatively meh land, we'd have to heavily increase our fertilizer use and deforestation to be able to grow enough human edible plants (grains or legumes really, since tubers are difficult to transport).

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Post by iammisc »

mythrwy wrote: post #260
iammisc wrote: post #136

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Animals are extremely efficient at converting inedible food to edible nutrition. For example, goats eat almost any plant, including many natives. Unless you think humans are going to be able to eat chaparral. The fact is that modern edible agriculture is heavily dependent on fossil fuel and mined fertilizers. Until we solve that problem, it's better to stop growing too many plants, let native vegetation regrow and se…

Having eaten goat a few times I'd say a goat is still pretty near inedible so there is no realized gain. Tastes may vary though.

You don't like goat? Most cultures / people love it.
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