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The problem with most lab-grown meat currently is that it still requires fetal bovine serum, which you need to kill cows for...
So seems like they’ve solved that little conundrum.
I always wonder about the morality questions. This is like a lab experiment for subjective morality. For the sake of the experiment, let's assume the sci-fi writers are right, and eating animals will eventually be considered immoral. This is an extreme stance at the moment (hello PETA) but let's assume it will eventually be accepted as the only moral stance. How long will it be between the introduction of lab-grown m…
I suspect reality will be a lot more boring. Animals are a low efficiency method of converting plant material into meat, both in terms of calories and protein mass input/output. So with scale, eventually lab-grown meat should become much cheaper than traditional meat. At the same time, it will be higher quality. Sterile production will eliminate E. Coli, salmonella, antibiotics... Input nutrients will be tightly cont…
Article contains virtually nothing on what it is or how it's grown.
Maybe because it's grown in freshly squeezed aborted calves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_bovine_serum
I know we've got to start somewhere and I'm all for this direction, but wake me up when we're making synthetic meat products based on beef or pork cell lines. Chicken's the one meat I don't feel too guilty about eating, especially in emission terms. Yet, anyway...
Have you seen the conditions that (most) farmed chickens are raised in?
Such things are horrors to our eyes, because we know better. They don't.
Not saying it's right, not saying that I wish it weren't thus, but here we are.
- ed
Also, I'm in the UK, where we still have slightly better farming standards and access to free range/organic produce than some other first world countries. For the moment, anyway... .
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> Or is it the "not eating animals" that makes you a vegetarian now? That's the point of ethical veganism/vegetarianism, yes.
So will you still be a "ethical vegetarian" if you eat lab-grown meat?
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Man made diamonds greatly exceed the quality of the ones dug up from the ground, yet there is still a strong natural diamond market. People just form an emotional attachment to ‘natural’ things.
Yes, but how long will that persist for diamonds? I also think this is a lot less likely to happen with meat. With diamonds part of the value is in signalling status. As such there is little incentive for customers to want to participate in driving down the price. With lab-grown meat there will eventually be a number of outright benefits.
I'm excited for these to be readily available and around normal meat pricing - but articles never seem to show any photos. I'm really curious how they actually 'grow' it, what sort of form it takes, and then what the final product texture is like or how versatile it is. For example, the '5k burgers' figure comes from dividing the mass produced by some nominal figure for a burger. But is it actually mince they're prod…
But I would think here that it would be possible to grow specific cuts - start with pluripotent stem cells and get them to develop into the right thing. Whether or not that's what they're doing now isn't clear, and I'd love to know if that's a short step from burgers or a huge leap.
Then beyond that, I wonder if all steaks will end up being A5 wagyu grade. Is it more difficult to grow a steak that's more vs. less marbled with fat?
I know we've got to start somewhere and I'm all for this direction, but wake me up when we're making synthetic meat products based on beef or pork cell lines. Chicken's the one meat I don't feel too guilty about eating, especially in emission terms. Yet, anyway...
>At this point, the facility is already able to produce lamb, chicken, and pork products without using genetic modification or animal serum. Future Meat says that it will soon also be able to start production on beef, too. So, they're not producing it commercially, but they can do pork. I'd say the day is inevitable at this point.
Now then, the interesting question for an Israeli-company - would producing and then consuming synthetic pork be Kosher?
I always wonder about the morality questions. This is like a lab experiment for subjective morality. For the sake of the experiment, let's assume the sci-fi writers are right, and eating animals will eventually be considered immoral. This is an extreme stance at the moment (hello PETA) but let's assume it will eventually be accepted as the only moral stance. How long will it be between the introduction of lab-grown m…
I've considered stuff like this a lot lately, as there seems to be a lot of hypocrisy amongst commonly held positions (including mine). I find it odd that people who truly believe in evolution, and that humans are just smarter animals, and that animals are also capable of sensing pain and emotion, can be deeply concerned (rightfully) about things such as trans rights, gender discrimination, etc. for humans (that are…
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around, does it make a sound?
What do you think happens to animals in the wilderness? Do you think they live a happy life, retire and have a peaceful death among the loved ones? The answer is no, they get brutally murdered by a bigger animal. Did you ever have a cat and witnessed how they can torture a mouse?
That's just the world we live in. I can't change it, and no one can, it's just how it works. Am I supposed to cry in the corner about this unfortunate reality? So yeah, I'm perfectly fine with killing animals for food, as long as it's not done in a dumb way ie. making them go extinct, or in some sadistic manner.
So I guess the answer to your question is that I try to have a realistic worldview and not just what sounds nice. The universe doesn't care about hypocrisy, morality or principles. It's really good to organize a society around it and it's good to have principles, because we have to somehow live with each other, but that's not what it's about.
I always wonder about the morality questions. This is like a lab experiment for subjective morality. For the sake of the experiment, let's assume the sci-fi writers are right, and eating animals will eventually be considered immoral. This is an extreme stance at the moment (hello PETA) but let's assume it will eventually be accepted as the only moral stance. How long will it be between the introduction of lab-grown m…
I suspect reality will be a lot more boring. Animals are a low efficiency method of converting plant material into meat, both in terms of calories and protein mass input/output. So with scale, eventually lab-grown meat should become much cheaper than traditional meat. At the same time, it will be higher quality. Sterile production will eliminate E. Coli, salmonella, antibiotics... Input nutrients will be tightly cont…
To me (and I suspect a lot of others here on HN), the idea of getting a mined diamond is just lunacy. Why on earth would I pay twice as much for something that is literally the same at the atomic level?
And yet enormous numbers of people still do. I'm lucky to have a wife who is a scientist (she would've slapped me upside the head if I had wasted money on a mined diamond), but there are a lot of women out there who would be very upset to receive a lab-grown diamond.
So while I very much agree with what you're saying here, and it just seems crazy to me that anyone else wouldn't, I do wonder what percent of folks will continue to demand "real" meat even when lab-grown is superior along all dimensions.