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Post by luffapi »

mikevm wrote: post #308
luffapi wrote: post #34

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You’re calling on a platform moderator to silence Palestinian voices. It’s the exact problem the OP is talking about. Censorship in social media is definitely on topic for HN.

That blog article contains misinformation which I was too busy to address. I don't think this platform is the place for political flamewars. Facebook and other media platforms are full of anti-Semitism (yes, not just anti-Israeli stuff) in the Arabic language -- something which escapes many people here and in the media in general.

There’s no misinformation in this post and you’re fabricating a straw man.

This isn’t a political flamewar. It’s a discussion on how technology is used for censorship and oppression. 100% on topic for HN.

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Post by RhodoGSA »

buran77 wrote: post #23

> One of the charges brought against them was that “their nationalistic sentiment” posed a threat to “state security.” Reprehensible. But when you have powerful enough friends it turns out it's perfectly acceptable. There will always be someone else out there to serve as the "greater evil" cover and this is a great disservice to the world, as crimes against humanity are just swept under the rug. > Social media, our l…

It's much more a of an oligarchy than the social media company's being controlled by the US. The Irony of Democracy is a book that goes into detail on this.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by RhodoGSA »

let_me_ask_this wrote: post #116
rayiner wrote: post #75

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As a conservative former Muslim: As long as Palestinians chant “from the river to the sea” and tolerate Hamas any talk about a two state solution is a joke. By not rejecting Hamas, Palestinians make themselves a military problem rather than a civil rights issue. You don’t give civil rights to people who are military threat. This isn’t a point about morality, but the simple reality of nations protecting themselves. If…

The problem with peaceful protest is that it can only work if there is very strong international pressure to stop Israel, because they most definitely won't stop by themselves. The problem with expecting any international pressure, is that America vetos any such event, and Israel work really hard to make sure they always have the backing of all the countries that matter. In any case, Hamas's existence is completely o…

Hamas is considered a terrorist organization by most of the western world. Hamas now runs the government in Palestine. Sounds like check mate by the israeli's to me. Palestine fucked up by letting a terrorist organization take over their country.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by RhodoGSA »

user982 wrote: post #227
aaronchall wrote: post #189

I know many users have flagged this because moderator, dang, has turned off the flags for this post. I'm sure it would be off the front page by now if he had not. I also know that after some period of relative peace, the Palestinian people allowed over (conservatively) 3,000 rockets to be fired on Israel by their militias, injuring over (conservatively) 100 and killing 10 (as reported by the Associated Press). To me…

> I also know that after some period of relative peace, the Palestinian people allowed over (conservatively) 3,000 rockets to be fired on Israel by their militias, injuring over (conservatively) 100 and killing 10 (as reported by the Associated Press). Why, after some period of relative peace, did the Palestinian people suddenly "allow" rockets to be fired on Israel? Were there any proximate causes which they were re…

Hamas controls Palestine, which is deemed a terrorist organization by half the western world. Also, the US got a pretty good test of it's iron dome system it lent to israel. As long as Hamas runs Palestine, this conflict will never end until the complete utter destruction of Palestine is reached. Palestine needs to ditch their leaders.

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Post by p_j_w »

RhodoGSA wrote: post #313
let_me_ask_this wrote: post #116

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The problem with peaceful protest is that it can only work if there is very strong international pressure to stop Israel, because they most definitely won't stop by themselves. The problem with expecting any international pressure, is that America vetos any such event, and Israel work really hard to make sure they always have the backing of all the countries that matter. In any case, Hamas's existence is completely o…

Hamas is considered a terrorist organization by most of the western world. Hamas now runs the government in Palestine. Sounds like check mate by the israeli's to me. Palestine fucked up by letting a terrorist organization take over their country.

Why is that check mate for the Israelis but building settlements, a gross violation of human rights, not check mate for the Palestinians?

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by RhodoGSA »

p_j_w wrote: post #315
RhodoGSA wrote: post #313

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Hamas is considered a terrorist organization by most of the western world. Hamas now runs the government in Palestine. Sounds like check mate by the israeli's to me. Palestine fucked up by letting a terrorist organization take over their country.

Why is that check mate for the Israelis but building settlements, a gross violation of human rights, not check mate for the Palestinians?

Because this is the first time murdering a bunch of hamas members wasn't par for the course historically. Now it's Palestinians not 'Hamas' for the Palestinians, but one-in-the same for the US and Israeli governments. The other side of this is that they are a terrorist organization and need to be exterminated. Hamas says the same thing about the israeli's.

Also, war crimes as a subject is always brought on by the winners, just like the telling of history.

The world is a brutal place. Hamas has proved they are not a military match for israel and the war will continue until israel has complete control of the region. That's how one sided conflicts have happened historically.

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Post by xupybd »

smsm42 wrote: post #303
xupybd wrote: post #202

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If we say you can claim land your people held in the 10th century the globe is in trouble.

"in" and "since" is somewhat different. Do Chinese have a claim on China? Do Japanese have a claim on Japan? Are Spaniards OK to live in Spain? Are Jews ok to live in Judea? Looks like for all of these questions the answer is "duh, yes for sure" - except for the last one. I wonder...

The Romans destroyed the Jewish state and renamed the area. I don't celebrate that but I'm sure that there has not been a Jewish state since the 10th century. That is the difference.

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Post by dang »

lobocinza wrote: post #309
dang wrote: post #293

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Obviously we don't care about that. We care about having HN threads stay above the bottom of the internet barrel, to the extent possible. If you would please stop creating accounts to break HN's guidelines with, we'd be grateful. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Censuring is the shortest way to the bottom.

People use the word "censor" in many different ways that it's not always clear what they mean by it.

We don't moderate HN comments because of the views they express; we moderate for comment quality and adherence to the site guidelines. In the vast majority of cases where we moderate a comment, it's not because of the view it expresses, but because it expressed it in a way that's destructive of the culture we want here (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). You can call that censorship if you like, but I don't think it's what the word classically means. In most cases there are other commenters expressing the same view thoughtfully and substantively, and those comments don't get moderated at all. I think we can say after 10+ years of working with this strategy that it definitely isn't "the shortest way to the bottom" - quite the opposite.

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Post by js212 »

jgb1984 wrote: post #258

Israel is an apartheid state. Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. Anti-zionism is not equal to anti-semitism. Just like I can criticize the USA without hating Americans, or criticize Iran without discriminating against muslims.

Name me one land in all of history that has not been stolen or conquered? Also, could LGTBQ individuals live in Islamic State (or even Gaza or the West Bank!)?

Btw, you made claims of apartheid but offered 0 arguments in support of your position.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by js212 »

deadite2 wrote: post #144
dang wrote: post #119

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You can't do this here. I've banned this account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You banned my account for highlighting the fact that social media is majority controlled by Jewish (and therefore more than likely Israeli) interests. I'm not sure exactly what I said that warranted being banned and shown the guidelines. If you think I was trolling - no, I was pointing out the bloody obvious that the rest of the posters here don't want to bring to light.

Wow insane that you can’t see how anti-Semitic this is!
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