Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

Post by numpad0 » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:13 PM UTC

tremon wrote: post #125

numpad0 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By cutting off at 8th Gen and TPM 1.2+2.0, they’re cutting off a lot of current and high end systems built by enthusiasts , while supporting far slower and inferior PCs. That’s the problem. No one’s arguing they’re chasing off cheap Celeron, they’re trying to get rid of even some Threadrippers and multi-socket setups, that could have 128GB or more of RAM, for “performance”.

So, what's in those generations that might actually matter to Microsoft? As you say, it's unlikely to be about performance. Is it some instruction set, or feature flags? It's unlikely to be about virtualization capabilities, as Intel still happily sells the newest chips "differentiated" to be virtually challenged. Did those generations introduce some crypto algorithm/primitive that Microsoft doesn't want to go withou…

Post by marcodiego » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:14 PM UTC

zeusk wrote: post #140

marcodiego wrote: post #110

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Stopping trash talking about Linux was the embrace phase. WSL was the extend phase.

Not sure how not supporting old devices is extinguish for Linux but okay. I work at MS so I have some background, but even I was vocally opposed to this. The real pushback for hardware floor came from IHVs and PMs. IHVs don't want to support your old hardware beyond 2-5 years thanks to what they're seeing in phone market. We've had multiple user impacting bugs that graphic vendors I won't name would not fix because t…

Post by quantumsequoia » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:15 PM UTC

cpeterso wrote: post #70

1stranger wrote: post #12

I don't understand this logic. The vast majority of people don't care what version of Windows they're running. They'll just keep running Windows 10 without a care in the world. Just like they keep running Windows 7.

For an example of just how many people don't care about EOL'd operating systems: Microsoft's mainstream support for Windows 7 ended in January 2015 (and paid "Extended Security Updates" service ended in January 2020) and yet 21% of Firefox users are still running Windows 7: https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware#goto-os-and-arch...

Post by Sebb767 » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:16 PM UTC

TheGuyWhoCodes wrote: post #126

eric__cartman wrote: post #27

I hope the public backlash against Microsoft is large enough that they revert there ridiculous system requirements. Requiring TPM 1.2 is sort of reasonable I guess. But TPM 2.0. You've got to be kidding me. Also enabling secure boot is a pain in the ass for users that dual boot, because in Linux, to load a custom compiled kernel module you have to sign it first and do a whole lot of mumbling around to get it working.…

I really don't see why they limit to 2.0 rather than 1.2 They could support both easily but choose not to. This could be their way to lower the amount of testing they have to do, but for a company the size of Microsoft that's inexcusable. That fact the 7th gen Intel (like the 7700k that has TPM 2.0) or first gen Zen aren't supported is bad enough but that Microsoft is silent about it and even their PMs and Security e…

Post by jimmaswell » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:19 PM UTC

Zevis wrote: post #145

eric__cartman wrote: post #27

I hope the public backlash against Microsoft is large enough that they revert there ridiculous system requirements. Requiring TPM 1.2 is sort of reasonable I guess. But TPM 2.0. You've got to be kidding me. Also enabling secure boot is a pain in the ass for users that dual boot, because in Linux, to load a custom compiled kernel module you have to sign it first and do a whole lot of mumbling around to get it working.…

I seriously hope the EU becomes aware of this and forces MS to change this crap. It's actually insane from a sustainability standpoint.