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Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by patall » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:10 PM UTC

sabco wrote: post #122

the_lonely_road wrote: post #77

Meta comment on this thread so forgive me. There are only 40 comments and 3 of them are top level comments stating that taking magnesium supplements cured their health issue. One is anxiety, one is sleep issues, and one is migraines. These are some of the same claims I hear from the marijuana enthusiasts on Reddit frequently. I don’t have any points to make about the observation, just noticed it and felt compelled to…

For anyone taking magnesium supplements that have found it helpful, did you ever get a blood test to look at your magnesium levels and did they say you were deficient based on the reference ranges?

Unfortunately, that is what lots of people do not do. Noticed it recently with Vitamin D where everyone was like: "There is much deficiency, there are no down sites, let's all take it." And I was like: "Sure, there are probably benefits, but for people with actual deficiency. There is a test for that, why don't you do that?" But at that point, it was too late because you can't test for a deficiency once you supplement it.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by b112 » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:11 PM UTC

zepto wrote: post #134

slipframe wrote: post #82

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"Why do we need to drink water anyway? Why can't we all get our fluids from an IV?"

Why stop there? If you are getting fluids via IV, may as well add in nutrients.

This sounds grand, but I Googled, and couldn't find a provider/source, where do you buy?

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by OnACoffeeBreak » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:12 PM UTC

Samin100 wrote: post #133

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #84

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I have been heavy dosing magnesium (glycinate, citrate) for years and am still a nervous wreck. Your mileage may vary.

I’ve recently switched to magnesium L-Threonate which has shown to be far more effective at being absorbed by the brain and I’ve found myself far less anxious in social situations. The L-Threonate compound was developed at MIT specifically for better brain absorption. Source: https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/96066/Slutsky...

I found that mag l-threonate helps me fall asleep after an anxious afternoon/night but I'm groggy in the morning. Also, I've read anecdotal reports that after a couple of weeks of regular use, the effect flattens out (sorry, too lazy to search for those reports) and one has to take a break for the effect to return. Have you noticed anything along those lines?

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by rpmisms » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:14 PM UTC

nate_meurer wrote: post #181

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> We're all vegetarians and do pretty well on fiber Thank you for not making your kids be vegan. It's extremely hard to get kids proper nutrients on a vegan diet. Related: Milk has good magnesium content, more so if grass-fed. If you can get raw milk from a local small farm, it's worth it.

I've imposed some dietary restrictions on my kids, but they're mostly glycemic in nature. - No sugary drinks; absolutely no soda pop, ever, and very little fruit juice, which is really no better than pop. - No sugary breakfasts. Breakfast cereal is fucking poison, especially the sweetened varieties. - No kids-menu food. When we eat out, they've always ordered off the adult menu. No pizza, chicken nuggets, mac-n-chees…

And you are a responsible parent for doing that.

I have a friend who was raised on a kids-menu diet, and the poor guy still doesn't like burgers or steak. I'm working on introducing him to the good stuff, but the damage has been done.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:14 PM UTC

seaorg wrote: post #25

celticninja wrote: post #15

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Isn't that a bit like survivor bias though? People who are on meatrx (not familiar with the site at all) are already predisposed to thinking that this is the best thing to do, so all the positive things that occur they are attributing to their meat diet. What about the people that didn't get pregnant or who didn't regain their hair? I assume they are not posting about this outcome. I think some sort of peer reviewed…

It isn’t survivor bias when the giant red rashes all over your body go away after nothing else has worked your entire life and your doctor says that for that to happen is impossible. It’s overlooked science. But there could still be survivor bias in there to some degree. We need proper interventional studies.

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Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by monetus » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:15 PM UTC

rpmisms wrote: post #167

monetus wrote: post #50

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The advice you are giving is interesting but irresponsible considering how different peoples' digestive systems are. I would downvote your original comment for that and for being off topic, but I view the downvote as a way of organizing comments. Again, this is interesting, but you are pitching a foot-gun to people.

> The advice you are giving is interesting but irresponsible considering how different peoples' digestive systems are This is fair, but you have to admit the same statement applies to evangelical vegans.

Definitely. Osteoporosis is no joke. I just didn't see any of those comments. And gah, no one likes hearing someone yell murderer at a dude eating a sandwhich. It just isn't nice. The animal is already dead, let it become sustenance. But anyways, take your gut health seriously. It affects your personality, like some other commenters have mentioned.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by lucb1e » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:15 PM UTC

opportune wrote: post #184

lucb1e wrote: post #171

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> Ever tried to have 100% daily recommended intake of every nutrient? I take soylent (that is, a European fork of it) with some regularity. Mainly out of laziness, but also I hope that it's good for whatever I might have been deficient in when eating other foods. It doesn't reduce how healthy I try to eat, but with a picky partner and semi-picky self, it probably helps. It's also just convenient. Would recommend. The…

The issue I have with soylent and some of their competitors is that they get to their RDA amounts by directly adding vitamins and minerals, some of which have low absorption depending on how they are bound - for example zinc and magnesium oxides have poor absorption compared to other zinc and magnesium salts - and which is not substantially better than just taking a multivitamin as far as I can tell.

> they get to their RDA amounts by directly adding vitamins and minerals, some of which have low absorption

Do read the blogs from these companies. This is taken into account, and updated when new studies come out. From what I know, the reference intake was a starting point and they're definitely reading the research on real uptake from supplements. (Like, even you and I know about uptake issues, and it's these people's jobs to know about it. They're not stupid.)

Not sure if you saw, since I've been editing the post a bit, but also people that eat only this for months still have normal blood values, so either they're not measuring what they're deficient on or uptake is good. Last I checked was a while ago, probably they were on Jimmy Joy powder version 1 or maybe 2.

> not substantially better than just taking a multivitamin

I wasn't arguing that eating healthily can't be done via other ways. Waterluvian was asking about matching the reference intake, this would just be one way to do it. If you already do it with supplements or even just a lot of vegetables, power to you!

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by s5300 » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:15 PM UTC

wincy wrote: post #180

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Yes. Just like if you take some extra Zinc (30mg-50mg picolinate) for a variety of reasons - you have to take a bit of copper with it, or eventually your copper supplies will be drained and start causing issues.

I’m not 100% sure if it was zinc but I supplemented zinc for like a week then had the worst constipation of my entire life. Like, wife had to run to the pharmacy to resolve it while I cried in agony sort of bad. So yeah, be careful with how you supplement!

I'd like to hope most people are careful in how they supplement, and do due diligence as necessary.

Unfortunately, I know how people actually operate. It's quite depressing.

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Post by jbotz » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:16 PM UTC

newsclues wrote: post #66

Funny, that there is a big push to have plant based meat replacements and promotions of vegetarian or vegan diets in the media.

It stands to reason that meat is probably also becoming less nutritious, since the animals are being raised on those same less-nutritious plants. Especially with respect to micro-nutrients and trace minerals... being short on these causes subtle problems which get worse as you age, but the meat animals don't get very old anyway, so these deficiencies stay hidden.

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Post by SavantIdiot » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:17 PM UTC

patall wrote: post #175

croo wrote: post #146

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No. I harvest tomatoes for 4 years now, about 30-50 plants per year. The taste of a half-green-left-on-shelf-because-i-dont-wanna-throw-it-out fruit is better than anything you can get in a shop. You can tell just by the smell, no need to taste it. Sun and soil brings more to the table than led lamps and chemical fertilizers.

I agree but think its also the variety. I once bought semigreen tomatoes in a supermarket in December in Italy and those turned out great after some ripening at home. But they were not the standard red tomatoes you would get everywhere else but real italian flesh tomatoes. Last year my grandma had only standard red ping-pong ball tomatoes and those were almost like store bought, although grown like you described. The…

Can that happen, or is color change the same as ripening? I thought ripening requires the fruit to be attached to the plant and exchanging nutrients/waste with the roots?