"After all, security is all about feelings rather than safety." Really? I'm supposed to take someone seriously that makes a statement like this?
Reading the preceding and following sentence: You have encountered sarcasm.
Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash
51–60 of 343 posts
Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think Microsoft would want to make that same mistake again. I would expect Microsoft start pushing Windows 11 automatically through Windows Update for anyone on Windows 10, or at least start pushing heavily through popups/notifications to start the update like they did with Windows 10.
Soooo, the people who can't install Windows 11 will continue to not care? I don't understand the logic of your response. It's not like Microsoft will brick machines not eligible for Win 11
They will drop support in 4 years though (or so they say) which is very short notice for desktops OSes.
Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
An encrypted hdd/ssd will help of someone steals your computer, removes your drive, and tries to read it from another computer in order to bypass your passwords. It won’t do shit for ransom ware. Ransom ware runs as a user land program and does encryption from within your OS where you data is live and unencrypted. The end result will be a hard drive full of encrypted files that is then reencrypted by bitlocker.
If someone steals your computer, they also have the TPM, which has the key, right? What am I missing about what TPM does that is so secure?
The only thing TPM based disk encryption protects is the kernel and the login screen. Without disk encryption somebody could modify your kernel or boot sequence and inject something nasty. Likewise they could do the old utilman.exe hack[1] and get admin by replacing one of the programs on the login screen with a shell.
If the device can boot without a password or PIN, there are some surprising ways to get into it just by switching networks (if network drives are mounted it will sometimes send NTLM hashes), or by good old brute-forcing.
[1] https://blog.kaniski.eu/2020/12/utilman-exe-to-cmd-exe-and-b...
Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're talking about computers that (officially) cannot run Windows 11. Obviously they won't be auto-upgraded.
I'm sure they'll loosen the restriction of having TPM enabled. That seems to be the only limiting factor. Or they could perhaps find a way to build a piece of software that will enable it automatically...
So what is the point of a restriction that they will later loosen?
Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash
#55I get the frustration with the requirements, but it is a little dramatic to say those machines who don’t meet the requirements will go straight in the trash. Those machines can still run Windows 10, and a lot of people will just keep using it. Why would people who don’t feel the need to upgrade to the newest hardware as soon as it is out feel the need to upgrade to the newest OS as soon as it comes out?
Because Windows 10 support eventually ends, and because of the proprietary nature of the software, independent individuals can't patch their own computer like an official Windows Update can. So those individuals who keep using a W10 machine beyond the end of extended support will be vulnerable to any number of threats if their machine is not air gapped.
Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Releasing new CPUs doesn't make older ones unusable; making an OS incompatible with them without good reason does. The article wording might not be the best, still it's spot on: users whose software will require Windows 11 (or simply who won't feel like going back after upgrading) will be forced to ditch their system, which in a world dominated by Windows, therefore many users with the same problem, is a lot more lik…
> Releasing new CPUs doesn't make older ones unusable; making an OS incompatible with them without good reason does. All those Windows 7 computers didn't become unusable once Windows 8 came out.
That's because Windows 8 wasn't incompatible with the same hardware that could run windows 7. You're making my point.
The article criticizes Windows 11 insane hardware requirements, not Microsoft for making a new version of Windows.
Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash
#57Microsoft is late to the party here. This has been core to Apple's business model for years. Here's an example of OS support for the MacBook Air:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Air#Supported_macOS_re...
The arbitrary cadence of abandonment is amazingly consistent and has no basis in hardware capabilities.
Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash
#58This article doesn't explain why it will create the waste? What changed in the spec, is it enforced?
Win 11 won't support a bunch of recent (3 year old) perfectly good hardware because demands for TPM like features.
So the owners of that hardware will continue using Windows 10.
Or, if they desperately need Win 11, the resale value of "good enough to do homework on" computers is still pretty good.
But judging by the Win 10 rollout, the people who care enough to have the latest Windows to want it are a very small minority who have recent hardware anyway.
I would bet it's a marketing choice, to ensure the the rollout is smooth and people like the experience. The specs might be a deliberate overkill to ensure that the first users have more than enough hardware (which probably was tested well enough), and are more likely to be computer enthusiasts who want latest-and-greatest.
Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think Microsoft would want to make that same mistake again. I would expect Microsoft start pushing Windows 11 automatically through Windows Update for anyone on Windows 10, or at least start pushing heavily through popups/notifications to start the update like they did with Windows 10.
Soooo, the people who can't install Windows 11 will continue to not care? I don't understand the logic of your response. It's not like Microsoft will brick machines not eligible for Win 11
By cutting off at 8th Gen and TPM 1.2+2.0, they’re cutting off a lot of current and high end systems built by enthusiasts, while supporting far slower and inferior PCs.
That’s the problem. No one’s arguing they’re chasing off cheap Celeron, they’re trying to get rid of even some Threadrippers and multi-socket setups, that could have 128GB or more of RAM, for “performance”.
Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash
#60I hope the public backlash against Microsoft is large enough that they revert there ridiculous system requirements. Requiring TPM 1.2 is sort of reasonable I guess. But TPM 2.0. You've got to be kidding me. Also enabling secure boot is a pain in the ass for users that dual boot, because in Linux, to load a custom compiled kernel module you have to sign it first and do a whole lot of mumbling around to get it working.…
While overall agree, Windows 10 will be supported until 2025. By then any device without TPM 2.0 support would be at least 10 years old, right?
Considering how unexciting new CPUs are nowadays I'd wager that a 10 year old computer in 2025 will still be perfectly usable for basic tasks such as email and web browsing. Something like an 8 year old i7 2700k is still very usable for a lot of home users. It might not be a beast when it comes to crunching numbers, but a big portion of the population would be happy using such a chip if you pair it with at least 8GB of memory and an SSD.
I'm not a big fan of generating unnecessary waste, and computers that get replaced because of artificial cutoff points in software isn't ideal. What I like about Windows 10 is that you can boot the installer on a Core2Duo if you want, and it'll install just fine. It'll probably run like crap, but that's for the user to decide whether they want to use it or not.