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And how reasonable is it to say these PCs will be immediately trashed? Seems like a straw man argument - I know plenty of schools that will happily run Win10 until 2030
I think the article makes a good point about the arbitrary red line drawn between two CPU generations with no justification whatsoever, but "heaps of trash" isn't the strongest argument against this. Arguably, Intel releasing new CPUs causes that even more heaps of trash, probably orders of magnitude more than Windows. It's a silly argument IMHO.
Releasing new CPUs doesn't make older ones unusable; making an OS incompatible with them without good reason does. The article wording might not be the best, still it's spot on: users whose software will require Windows 11 (or simply who won't feel like going back after upgrading) will be forced to ditch their system, which in a world dominated by Windows, therefore many users with the same problem, is a lot more lik…
All those Windows 7 computers didn't become unusable once Windows 8 came out.
It feels to me like the current strategy splits too many hairs. Apple understood this, which is why they haven't launched MacOS RT/10X then scrapped it or some jazz. (And to be clear the issue with 10X is it that it wasn't really approxmating a cleaned up version of Windows - just a ChromeOS competitor for low-cost garbage)
Oh, but as for Linux on the desktop - the only way that happens is probably MS throwing in the towel (which is a poor phrase given the context would almost certainly be a boon to most everyone) adopting the Linux Kernel or some FreeBSD core, with a compatability layer for Win32 bullshit.
Microsoft can't longer afford being yield back by deprecated processor technology. And the bad publicity of doing so.
By not bumping the requirements a lot of security and speed improvements can't be done.
This is even more visible with the Apple M1 release. Because of it Windows looks like insecure, insufficient and unoptimized.
People have chosen that they don't care about openness neither about supporting legacy hardware and Microsoft is listening.
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I don't think Microsoft would want to make that same mistake again. I would expect Microsoft start pushing Windows 11 automatically through Windows Update for anyone on Windows 10, or at least start pushing heavily through popups/notifications to start the update like they did with Windows 10.
We're talking about computers that (officially) cannot run Windows 11. Obviously they won't be auto-upgraded.
Or they could perhaps find a way to build a piece of software that will enable it automatically...
Windows is forcing hundreds of millions of devices into technical obsolescence, for no good reason other than another incremental upgrade to its operating system.
Human civilization has existed for approximately 10,000 years. The main purpose of a society is to survive indefinitely into the future. I would like human civilization to exist in 10,000 years, in 100,000 years.
If Microsoft changes its operating system every decade, we're looking at 10 000 iterations of Windows in the next 100 000 years. 10 000 cycles that, if current trends continue, will each render hundreds of millions of electronic devices obsolete, representing billions of pounds of plastic and metals each. To put it plainly, there are not enough petroleum resources and metals in the upper crust of this planet to manufacture the hundreds of millions of brand new electronic devices that successive wave of consumers will demand every few years.
The author is right. The fact that Windows 11 will be available as a free upgrade to devices already running W10 doesn't change the fact that many, if not most, of them won't meet Microsoft's specs.
I am very concerned about the environmental cost of electronics, and I'm afraid we're not taking the issue seriously enough. We're somehow trying to transition our way into a digital utopia the likes of which exist in science fiction, without the infrastructure or the resources to support it.
One of the most popular PC games of all times is Age of Empires II, a game that originally came out in 1999. The original game can practically run on a toaster, and still enjoys a large and vibrant online community.
Why can't we... settle on the same operating system for a few centuries? (I realize that Microsoft would not do this on its own, and that it would require government intervention in the market, if not an outright public takeover of Microsoft, but I'm throwing ideas into the wind here) Now I'm glad we're not still using Windows 95, but will OS's in 25 years be that much more advanced than 2021 OS's compared to 1995? I don't think so. I think Windows 10 is good enough for a long, long time. Microsoft's concept of W10 as the final version of the product was right, and I'm disappointed to see it go.
Maybe the long term solution is for the government itself to start selling, if not mandating, its own operating system software to consumers and businesses alike. Government doesn't have to meet quarterly profit goals, which is a plus in favor of long term sustainability.
people are forgetting w11 will be the useless windows version. everyone knows that between actual windows versions (3, 95, vista, xp, 10) there are the BS money making by selling flashy badges to PC OEM manufacturers (98, me, forgot the name , 8) so obviously w11 can be safely ignored by everyone.
I hope the public backlash against Microsoft is large enough that they revert there ridiculous system requirements. Requiring TPM 1.2 is sort of reasonable I guess. But TPM 2.0. You've got to be kidding me. Also enabling secure boot is a pain in the ass for users that dual boot, because in Linux, to load a custom compiled kernel module you have to sign it first and do a whole lot of mumbling around to get it working.…
While overall agree, Windows 10 will be supported until 2025. By then any device without TPM 2.0 support would be at least 10 years old, right?
I think I’ve seen a eerily similar remark on Xbox 360 when XB1 launched so… is that a part of Microsoft ethos? That time the guy said that was instantly cancelled though.
people are forgetting w11 will be the useless windows version. everyone knows that between actual windows versions (3, 95, vista, xp, 10) there are the BS money making by selling flashy badges to PC OEM manufacturers (98, me, forgot the name , 8) so obviously w11 can be safely ignored by everyone.
2000 is also pretty cool, but didn't show up on the list, and not sure where the NT releases 3 and 4 would go.
I wonder how many will be convinced to install Linux, especially given the increasing move for Operating Systems as a browser shim.