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Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by luffapi »

poisonarena wrote: post #289
luffapi wrote: post #287

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You said the majority of Israeli Jews came from Arab countries. That is factually incorrect. Your exact comment: > ” Most Israelis come from Arab countries(because they were expelled)”

" "About 44.9% percent of Israel's Jewish population identify as either Mizrahi or Sephardi, 44.2% identify as Ashkenazi, about 3% as Beta Israel and 7.9% as mixed or other"" Here it is again, MOre than half, right here in your own, old source, that you aren't understanding. And you are nitpicking because you don't want this to be true, because it breaks your narrative of White Colonial vs the Oppressed Palestinian U…

That says nothing about their country of origin. These people literally emigrated from Western non-Arab countries. Your statement is just incorrect and now you’re moving the goal posts.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by dang »

xwolfi wrote: post #217
rayiner wrote: post #43

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As an American who moved here from a Muslim country let me assure you Muslims are socialized to feel the same way about Jews. Took me a long time to see it. In high school I obviously supported Palestine and thought Israel was a settler colony (all of it, not just Gaza). Then I realized: wait why do I even care? I’m from 3,000 miles away in Bangladesh. In Bangladesh, people don’t even care about Bangladeshis being he…

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You somehow managed to slur both sides with this comment. That's seriously not ok. We ban accounts that post like this, so please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by dang »

kdjsbdb wrote: post #241
dang wrote: post #203

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Religious flamewar will get you banned here. Please don't post like this, regardless of whose religion you have a problem with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Happy to see hn is moderated against blasphemy, how progressive!

Obviously we don't care about that. We care about having HN threads stay above the bottom of the internet barrel, to the extent possible.

If you would please stop creating accounts to break HN's guidelines with, we'd be grateful.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by dang »

jedimind wrote: post #103
dang wrote: post #87

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This feels like hair-splitting to me. Your comment obviously broke the site guidelines. If you'd please re-read them and do a more careful job of sticking to the rules, we'd appreciate it. Note this one, for example: " Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

There is a big difference between saying "your argument is terrible or infantile or whatever" and saying "you are such and such", I don't think that's hair splitting at all and I also don't think that the guideline you have referenced applies in this case either, but whatever you are the moderator so there is no point in even trying to argue. I edited the problematic part out.

If you read the site guidelines closely I think you'll see that they very much do apply in cases like this. Note this one:

"When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. 'That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3' can be shortened to '1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

Not just "you are (idiotic|infantile|...)", but also "that is (idiotic|infantile|...)" is ruled out as name-calling here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If you want to understand why we have such rules, the key thing to consider is that the quality of your contribution has not only do with your perspective (e.g. "The reasoning is objectively infantile"), but also that of the reader—or rather the distribution of readers that your comment is probably going to land with. If you (or anyone) are interested, I wrote a long, in-depth explanation a while ago for a commenter in a similar situation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27161365. The in-depth portions are here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27162386

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27166919

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by guerrilla »

maybelsyrup wrote: post #161
azifali wrote: post #21

As a progressive Muslim - I believe both Israel and Palestine have the right to exist, and thrive. Unfortunately, it looks like the state of Israel has now become a needless oppressor and are content building an apartheid state without learning from the past.

> As long as [...], any talk about a two state solution is a joke It sucks to have to say, but no one in any position of power on any side of this conflict believes a two-state solution is possible anymore. That ship sailed a decade ago or so, depending on who you ask, and all of the players have moved on; it's only parts of the public who still believe it's possible. It may still be desirable, of course - I certainl…

Why do you think it's not possible for the settlers to leave the West Bank? They did from Gaza.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by poisonarena »

luffapi wrote: post #291
poisonarena wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" "About 44.9% percent of Israel's Jewish population identify as either Mizrahi or Sephardi, 44.2% identify as Ashkenazi, about 3% as Beta Israel and 7.9% as mixed or other"" Here it is again, MOre than half, right here in your own, old source, that you aren't understanding. And you are nitpicking because you don't want this to be true, because it breaks your narrative of White Colonial vs the Oppressed Palestinian U…

That says nothing about their country of origin. These people literally emigrated from Western non-Arab countries. Your statement is just incorrect and now you’re moving the goal posts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Mu...

I posted proof, im not goal posting, and you are missing the entire point of what I originally said. Mizrahim/sepharidim are jews from arab/meditaranean/african countries.. they are more than 50% the population of jews in Israel. I am not arguing with any more. Your previous comments describe how you feel already.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by YZF »

luffapi wrote: post #282
YZF wrote: post #281

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There's lots of critics of Israel. Can you give me 3 (or 10) examples or people who lost their jobs as a result of some reasonable criticism of Israel's policies? Weren't there recent petitions in Google and Amazon to boycott Israel? Did anyone lose their jobs? And this is political activism at your workplace, which isn't exactly the same thing as stating your opinion outside work. If you choose to bring politics int…

You can hold any position on Israel up to and including that it does not have the right to exist and still not be anti-Semitic. I do not agree with the formation or expansion of Israel, including the Balfour Declaration. I am not anti-Semitic. In fact I think anti-Semitism is a very real problem. Historically and now. It also hurts the legitimate arguments against Zionism because invariably real anti-Semites show up…

Sure you can hold any position or opinion.

John Lennon sang:

"Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace"

Nobody has banned John Lennon from the radio last time I checked.

Until a position is backed up with some rational arguments it's sort of just your opinion. Why should we care? If you are going public with a certain position and advocating for action the burden of proof is on you. Especially if there are consequences. There's plenty of nonsense going around that doesn't stand the slightest scrutiny. But you can "hold" any of those positions wrt/ Israel or any other topic.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by wolverine876 »

guerrilla wrote: post #265
wolverine876 wrote: post #214

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> the military always has that power, regardless of what people want to pretend Maybe in your fantasies, but not in advanced democracies. Nobody would follow those orders; there's no evidence of it ever happening, in centuries. Technically, the people of Washington DC have the power to overthrow the government if they all rush the seats of power at the same time, but really they don't.

There have been hundreds of coup d'etat and attempts at such in "advanced democracies." And if you're trying to claim they aren't advanced if they haven't had a coup d'etat then there's just no true Scotsman, is there?

When? Where? I suppose it could depend on definitions of 'advanced' democracies, but it ain't happening in the modern US, UK, Germany, France, Japan, S. Korea, Canada, Australia, etc. etc.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by luffapi »

YZF wrote: post #297
luffapi wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can hold any position on Israel up to and including that it does not have the right to exist and still not be anti-Semitic. I do not agree with the formation or expansion of Israel, including the Balfour Declaration. I am not anti-Semitic. In fact I think anti-Semitism is a very real problem. Historically and now. It also hurts the legitimate arguments against Zionism because invariably real anti-Semites show up…

Sure you can hold any position or opinion. John Lennon sang: "Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace" Nobody has banned John Lennon from the radio last time I checked. Until a position is backed up with some rational arguments it's sort of just your opinion. Why should we care? If you are going public with a certain p…

This is a non sequitur and a straw man. I don’t agree with the Balfour Declaration because it was strongly opposed by the Palestinians, 90% of the population at the time.

I have no idea why you are quoting John Lennon. It has nothing to do with the topic.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by luffapi »

poisonarena wrote: post #296
luffapi wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That says nothing about their country of origin. These people literally emigrated from Western non-Arab countries. Your statement is just incorrect and now you’re moving the goal posts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Mu... I posted proof, im not goal posting, and you are missing the entire point of what I originally said. Mizrahim/sepharidim are jews from arab/meditaranean/african countries.. they are more than 50% the population of jews in Israel. I am not arguing with any more. Your previous comments describe how you feel already.

You did not post proof. The numbers directly contradict your statement. More emigration happened from Western countries than Arab countries. No amount of goal post moving will change that your original statement is factually incorrect.
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