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Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by azth »

rayiner wrote: post #43
werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

As an American who moved here from a Muslim country let me assure you Muslims are socialized to feel the same way about Jews. Took me a long time to see it. In high school I obviously supported Palestine and thought Israel was a settler colony (all of it, not just Gaza). Then I realized: wait why do I even care? I’m from 3,000 miles away in Bangladesh. In Bangladesh, people don’t even care about Bangladeshis being he…

> Then I realized: wait why do I even care? I’m from 3,000 miles away in Bangladesh.

I'm assuming you're a Muslim, in which case you should care because of [1][2]

[1] https://sunnah.com/riyadussalihin:224

[2] https://sunnah.com/muslim:2586a

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by bronzeage »

user982 wrote: post #249
poisonarena wrote: post #180

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How do you feel about Gaza launching 4000+ rockets at Israeli population centers indiscriminately ?

Clearly the Gazans need missile guidance systems to get their kill count down to Israel's levels.

The irony when do called "defenders of human rights of Palestinians" actively wish for more Israeli casualties, or blame Israel for not having more casualties and actually protecting its citizens.

You don't care about humans or lives, you just care about being against Jews.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by werber »

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #111
Ozzie_osman wrote: post #69

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It's almost like maybe you should care and speak out about Palestine and Bengladeshis in Qatar and Rohingya and Yemenis and Uighurs.

There are only so many hours in a day. This should be true at the community level, but an individual passionately caring about all of those injustices at once will end up spamming social media with advocacy because there is not enough time to pick any one to do something with greater impact.

Intersectionality is just viewing all struggles commonality. You can focus on whatever you want and center it with regard to everything else that’s wrong. For me, that’s been a very hopeful concept because you obviously can’t do a million things at once.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by luffapi »

poisonarena wrote: post #233
Udik wrote: post #192

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There is a reason. Maybe this reason is that the "conflict" has been going on for 70 years? Maybe the reason is that the situation is particularly humiliating for Muslims, who saw the West unilaterally decide to install some Europeans in one of Islam's most historic places? Or maybe the reason is that, different from other injustices, this one is brazenly denied both by the perpetrators and by those who should be wit…

Most Israelis come from Arab countries(because they were expelled), this is a common myth that Israeli's are "european", there is many from Eastern Europe, and there are many ashkenazi jewish immigrants from the USA, but this is a fraction. And Jerusalem is the holiest place for Jews, and it has been since before Islam existed

What you say is not true:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by poisonarena »

luffapi wrote: post #274
poisonarena wrote: post #233

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Most Israelis come from Arab countries(because they were expelled), this is a common myth that Israeli's are "european", there is many from Eastern Europe, and there are many ashkenazi jewish immigrants from the USA, but this is a fraction. And Jerusalem is the holiest place for Jews, and it has been since before Islam existed

What you say is not true: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

yes it is, look at the numbers. 26 percent from europe, 27 percent from "non white" Middle east mainly, would be 28-29 percent but I am not including potential mizrahim from USA/Canada, even though many are probably persian/iraqi origin.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by esens »

metta2uall wrote: post #260
user982 wrote: post #225

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> A much greater level of non-violence from the Palestinian side would result in far stronger international pressure, and also domestic American pressure. The 2018-2019 Gaza border protests ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_... ) began with extended peaceful demonstrations and dancing by Palestinians. This was met with live fire from Israel, maiming tens of thousands and killing well over…

Of course that was gross criminality & basically mass murder from the IDF side, but they still used the excuse of Hamas using the protests as cover to attack, to breach the border, to fire flaming kites, etc. Nevertheless there was quite a significant international response and loads of reputational damage to the IDF. The difficulty is that the non-violence has to be deep and prolonged.. The current leadership of Ham…

Israel currently will use that as a public excuse, but Israel will clamp down on non-violent protect and violent protest fairly equally. There is always an excuse for why Israel has to take land and also why it has to have racist laws.

The problem is that if you look into it, it is a demographic battle to ensure that Israel keeps the West Bank and also that there is a Jewish majority in that region at whatever cost.

For example, here is a law that prevents family reunifications but only affecting non-Jews: https://www.adalah.org/en/law/view/511

And here is an Israeli ambassador making the case that Jews are reproducing more than Arabs and that is a great thing (although he excludes Gaza, which Israel hopes that Egypt takes over): https://www.jns.org/opinion/blinken-is-wrong-on-israels-demo...

Israel is a really strange nation these days. It is very racist and openly so.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by luffapi »

poisonarena wrote: post #275
luffapi wrote: post #274

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What you say is not true: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

yes it is, look at the numbers. 26 percent from europe, 27 percent from "non white" Middle east mainly, would be 28-29 percent but I am not including potential mizrahim from USA/Canada, even though many are probably persian/iraqi origin.

From the article, 2015 numbers:

26.26% Europe

4.64% Americas

10.75% Asia

14.3% Africa

So no, “most Israelis“ don’t come from Arab countries.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by nec4b »

tptacek wrote: post #187
rayiner wrote: post #184

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And it comes down to it: the logic of progressivism inherently demands the end of Israel because it can’t conscience the notion of an ethnostate.

I'm not sure this is the mic drop you think it is, since what you're pushing back on here is the idea that Palestinians living in Israel should be allowed to simultaneously remain in their homes and have full political rights and agency. Which of those two things do you disagree with? You're excluding the middle a lot in these comments, suggesting that the only two valid perspectives on this conflict are "Israel must…

>Ethnostates are immoral.

Following this logic you may also believe families are immoral.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by pizzazzaro »

werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

https://youtu.be/MxL0mLXV604

Please spread word to report the app "Act.IL" on all phone app stores

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by rayiner »

pydry wrote: post #252
mrow84 wrote: post #222

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What do you think that reason is?

Maybe whataboutism. Why Bangladeshi whataboutism is supposed to be of interest to us I'm not sure. Arab countries also use Israel to highlight the disingenuousness of America's supposed concern for human rights. Ironically not having it as an ally might make military interventions in the Arab world easier.

It’s not “whataboutism” to ask what might be motivating people to care about a particular issue thousands of miles away when they don’t pay any attention to human rights issues on their own border.
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