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Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by slipframe »

threatofrain wrote: post #172
wolverine876 wrote: post #140

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As I posted eleswhere, note that American Christian Evangelicals support Israel's right-wing policies much more strongly than American Jews, who are mostly liberal and Democrats. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=evangelical+support+for+israel+sit...

You should link directly to the sources you curate, rather than just linking a duckduckgo search.

He seems to be right according to Pew in 2014: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/02/27/strong-supp...

> Pew Research surveys find that similar shares of Christians (29%) and Jews (31%) say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel. Among white evangelical Protestants, nearly half (46%) say that the U.S. is not providing enough support for Israel.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by Udik »

rayiner wrote: post #182
Ozzie_osman wrote: post #69

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It's almost like maybe you should care and speak out about Palestine and Bengladeshis in Qatar and Rohingya and Yemenis and Uighurs.

That’s not what I’m driving at. My point is that there is a reason Bangladeshis all learn about Israel oppressing Palestine but don’t care about other Bangladeshis being worked to death in the Middle East. There’s a reason that’s the thing that gets people’s attention compared to all the other human rights issues out there.

There is a reason. Maybe this reason is that the "conflict" has been going on for 70 years? Maybe the reason is that the situation is particularly humiliating for Muslims, who saw the West unilaterally decide to install some Europeans in one of Islam's most historic places? Or maybe the reason is that, different from other injustices, this one is brazenly denied both by the perpetrators and by those who should be witnesses? Because an injustice will upset, but there is nothing more enraging than seeing those in power deny the obvious and pretend that the perpetrators are victims.

So there can be many reasons. Why do you choose the one that, once somehow transferred 5500 km from Bangladesh to Palestine (not sure how much they have in common), puts the Palestinians' struggle in the worst possible light?

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by [deleted] »

rayiner wrote: post #65
DoctorNick wrote: post #28

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Americans are more prone to this kind of thing because they're already used to overriding settler-colonial propaganda influencing their mindset; Zionist propaganda is just another flavor.

That’s a hilarious assertion. One of the things we found puzzling when we moved here was why Americans spent so much time in school studying all the bad things the country did. Totally bizarre to us, coming from Asia.

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Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by Udik »

wolverine876 wrote: post #145
tartoran wrote: post #70

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Yes, I am aware of that and do care for justice but am afraid to talk abour it IRL to be honest. To be publically acused of antisemitism for being critical to Israel could be a real nightmare Im not ready to go through. I am no antisemitist, on the contrary, some of my favorite people are jewish. Am I a coward? I think so but I have a family and want to hold onto my job. Here on HN I am not afraid to comment because…

> I am aware of that and do care for justice but am afraid to talk abour it IRL to be honest. To be publically acused of antisemitism for being critical to Israel could be a real nightmare Im not ready to go through. ... Am I a coward? I think so but I have a family and want to hold onto my job. Here on HN I am not afraid to comment because this account is not tied to my real identity. You're not a coward; you're hum…

> FWIW, this is a classic line of prejudiced people: 'I'm not anti-X; some of my best friends are X.'

On the other hand, this is just a trope that needs to die. It's a non sequitur and is in fact an example of kafkatrap:

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kafkatrap

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

wolverine876 wrote: post #140
g8oz wrote: post #133

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The opinions of Americans in particular on this issue are very relevant. The U.S provides Israel with a diplomatic, military and financial blank check. Many of the most aggressive elements of the settler movement that makes life so difficult for Palestinians in East Jerusalem and the West Bank are funded by American non-profit groups like the Central Fund of Israel. In addition some 60,000 ideologically driven Americ…

As I posted eleswhere, note that American Christian Evangelicals support Israel's right-wing policies much more strongly than American Jews, who are mostly liberal and Democrats. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=evangelical+support+for+israel+sit...

Yes, because they believe that they need to be on the side of Israel to satisfy the conditions of their apocalyptic fables.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by Udik »

YZF wrote: post #110
tartoran wrote: post #70

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Yes, I am aware of that and do care for justice but am afraid to talk abour it IRL to be honest. To be publically acused of antisemitism for being critical to Israel could be a real nightmare Im not ready to go through. I am no antisemitist, on the contrary, some of my favorite people are jewish. Am I a coward? I think so but I have a family and want to hold onto my job. Here on HN I am not afraid to comment because…

You should know that saying some of my favorite people are jewish is something that sounds pretty bad. The idea that you would be branded as an anti-semite and lose your job because you are critical of Israel also sounds bad. A lot of people are critical of Israel's policies, including many Israelis. There is absolutely no problem with that.

> The idea that you would be branded as an anti-semite and lose your job because you are critical of Israel also sounds bad.

Sounds very plausible instead. The original cancel culture is exactly that used to silence critics of Israel- the accusation of antisemitism has been used for decades to terminate careers. People have learned very well to keep their mouths shut.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by Udik »

rayiner wrote: post #183
Ozzie_osman wrote: post #72

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The sad part is that you can get called an anti-Semite (or self-hating Jew) for expressing any sort of solidarity with Palestinians. The sadder part is that actual anti-Semites then jump in and use that situation to further their agenda.

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Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by Udik »

refurb wrote: post #160
let_me_ask_this wrote: post #79

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In that case Israel should follow New Zealand's example and allow all Palestinians to become citizens, with full rights, stop being an ethnostate for Jews, stop with the racism and start behaving like the progressive country they pretend to be.

Arabs can be full Israeli citizens, many are being one of the main political parties is an Arab party. Or do you mean citizens in Palestine? Why would Israel make the Palestinians in Gaza full citizens when That’s separate territory from Israel?

> Why would Israel make the Palestinians in Gaza full citizens when That’s separate territory from Israel?

1) most of Palestine and Palestinians are not in Gaza, bug in the West Bank

2) if Palestine is separate territory from Israel, why Israel builds its roads and cities on it?

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