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Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by throwaway894345 »

Ozzie_osman wrote: post #69
rayiner wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an American who moved here from a Muslim country let me assure you Muslims are socialized to feel the same way about Jews. Took me a long time to see it. In high school I obviously supported Palestine and thought Israel was a settler colony (all of it, not just Gaza). Then I realized: wait why do I even care? I’m from 3,000 miles away in Bangladesh. In Bangladesh, people don’t even care about Bangladeshis being he…

It's almost like maybe you should care and speak out about Palestine and Bengladeshis in Qatar and Rohingya and Yemenis and Uighurs.

And Jews.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by aaronchall »

dang wrote: post #100
aaronchall wrote: post #46

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He raises fair points on this highly controversial subject. If we're to give this matter a fair hearing, we need to put all the relevant facts on the table. Maybe there was a nicer way for him to put these facts, but that doesn't invalidate them.

Those aren't "fair points", they're garden-variety flamewar talking points that cross directly into slurs. This is not a hard call.

This topic is flamewar fuel - to leave out the talking points makes this a one-sided flame-war.

Perhaps it is best not to have this discussion here.

It flatters neither sides' participants.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by throwaway894345 »

Ozzie_osman wrote: post #72
werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

The sad part is that you can get called an anti-Semite (or self-hating Jew) for expressing any sort of solidarity with Palestinians. The sadder part is that actual anti-Semites then jump in and use that situation to further their agenda.

I’ve not run into this very much. I’ve had very good luck advocating against antisemitism while also advocating against Israeli settlement policies. I think by advocating against antisemitism I demonstrate that I’m actually committed to justice. It seems when people are accused of antisemitism they are often not only criticizing settlement policies but also advocating for the destruction of Israel and are generally silent on Jewish persecution.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by smsm42 »

xupybd wrote: post #52
DoctorNick wrote: post #28

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Americans are more prone to this kind of thing because they're already used to overriding settler-colonial propaganda influencing their mindset; Zionist propaganda is just another flavor.

It is hard to say Israel has less right to the land it took over than say New Zealand. The main difference is how long ago the settling happened.

There's a little difference though... There wasn't an English state in New Zealand since about 10th century BCE.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by dang »

aaronchall wrote: post #152
dang wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those aren't "fair points", they're garden-variety flamewar talking points that cross directly into slurs. This is not a hard call.

This topic is flamewar fuel - to leave out the talking points makes this a one-sided flame-war. Perhaps it is best not to have this discussion here. It flatters neither sides' participants.

I've addressed that in numerous comments in this thread, for example this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27646204. If you look at the past explanations linked from there, you should find that they cover it. If not, let me know and I'll try to answer.

The short version is (1) some stories are on topic for HN even though they have political overlap; (2) users still need to follow the site guidelines in such threads—in fact more so ("Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."); and (3) that very much includes not going into flamewar, let alone repeating flamewar tropes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by golemiprague »

I see much more Arab propaganda on social media, a lot of it is racist and vile, just because of the sheer numbers of Muslims hating Israel comparing to the Jews who support it. Only tiny amount of it is blocked and many times Jews supporting Israel are blocked on much less significant "charges" just because so many Muslims flag those posts, many times it is an automatic ban. This article is a joke and misrepresenting what is actually happening on social media these days. There are about a billion Muslims hammering their views against Israel, do you really think Israel can block anything in any effective way?

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by random314 »

bkirkby wrote: post #91
werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

Can you share with us the most egregious example of a war crime committed by Israel that caused you to change your view? Please be specific about the laws, actions, and outcomes that resulted in the crime.

Apartheid is sufficient.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by Papirola »

random314 wrote: post #157
bkirkby wrote: post #91

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Can you share with us the most egregious example of a war crime committed by Israel that caused you to change your view? Please be specific about the laws, actions, and outcomes that resulted in the crime.

Apartheid is sufficient.

[citation needed]

there's an Arab party in the Israeli government _as_we_speak_.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by refurb »

let_me_ask_this wrote: post #79
xupybd wrote: post #52

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It is hard to say Israel has less right to the land it took over than say New Zealand. The main difference is how long ago the settling happened.

In that case Israel should follow New Zealand's example and allow all Palestinians to become citizens, with full rights, stop being an ethnostate for Jews, stop with the racism and start behaving like the progressive country they pretend to be.

Arabs can be full Israeli citizens, many are being one of the main political parties is an Arab party.

Or do you mean citizens in Palestine? Why would Israel make the Palestinians in Gaza full citizens when That’s separate territory from Israel?

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