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YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by powerapple »

justicezyx wrote: post #194
commoner wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xinjiang is indeed highly locked down, and foreign reporters are not allowed to enter most parts of the region unless they are producing content that aligns with the Chinese government's message. Daniel Dumbrill is absolutely not a credible source. Edit: Corrected from "the region" to "most parts of the region". From 2018: > Transportation presents significant obstacles, too. Roughly the size of Alaska, Xinjiang enco…

This current situation is getting worse and worse. Anyone commenting on Xinjiang here never get any truth themselves... Each time I recommend them to watch YT videos from non main-stream media, no one reply back with what they found out... And apparently everyone is happy to bash the credit of mainstream media, except for China/XInjiang, it's like suddenly a bunch of guys never set foot in Xinjiang, start to trusting…

Don't read news, go on YouTube and watch clips from everyday average person living or traveling to any area you are interested in. News has failed me for 5 years, with YouTube and everything, I don't need these journalist

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by ksec »

toomanyrichies wrote: post #80

Honest question- what is Google's exposure here? Both Youtube and Google (Youtube's parent company) are blocked in China; those revenue streams were cut off a long time ago. What does Google have to lose by letting Youtube keep the videos up? I'm sure the exposure exists; I recognize that Googlers aren't stupid. I honestly am just curious what that risk is. Having lived in Shanghai for 5 years, I don't see China reve…

Most people are far underestimating the Chinese influence.

1. Chinese working within Google and Youtube are just like working in Facebook [1], from Peter Thiel .

> At Facebook, I’ll give you an example. You had with the Hong Kong protest a year ago, the employees from Hong Kong were all in favor of the protests and free speech. But there were more employees at Facebook who were born in China than who were born in Hong Kong. And the Chinese nationals actually said that, you know, it was just Western arrogance. And you shouldn’t be taking Hong Kong’s side and things like that. And then the rest of the employees at Facebook sort of stayed out of it. But the internal debate felt like people were actually more anti-Hong Kong than pro-Hong Kong.

And let me just say the last sentence was an understatement. ( He is on the Broad of Facebook after all ) And there are plenty more working in Youtube and Google as moderators. ( One day we may find out what happen to Tank Man on Bing Search Engine )

2. Chinese companies abroad. Just to give you an idea. Watch a game of Euro 2020 ( or 2021 ) that is going now, count how many ads were placed by Chinese companies.

3. Chinese invested interest and asset. Google accept ads from companies that has Chinese investment. You play any mobile games? You should count how many of the current top grossing Mobile Games have Tencent of other Chinese investment, one way of another. ( Or how many of those companies have outsource work with a Chinese company or Chinese working in it )

And I could go on and on.

[1] https://nixonseminar.com/2021/04/the-nixon-seminar-april-6-2...

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by andrey_utkin »

roenxi wrote: post #210
jeswin wrote: post #174

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> It is reasonable to treat the Chinese government as a source of authoritative truth, even if the average American doesn't trust them. Mistrust of the CCP isn't strictly limited to "average Americans". Why should anyone trust them, given that they don't have anything close to a free press or opposition?

That is a reasonable position. But "The government are authority figures and I trust authority" is also a reasonable position (and quite common). There are a lot of people out there who trust authority - who can say that YouTube doesn't employ them? Jobs censoring minority views are going to attract those people.

> "The government are authority figures and I trust authority" is also a reasonable position (and quite common).

No.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by zarkov99 »

wesleywt wrote: post #59
zarkov99 wrote: post #33

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Todays conspiracy is often tomorrow's orthodoxy. Society is better served by erring on the side of free speech and letting evolution decide what ideas are good and where are not. This was settled hundreds of years ago but apparently this generation did not get the memo.

I hope this isn't true. Imagine if flat earth, anti-vaccines and 911 was faked becomes "orthodoxy". We'd be a regressed society.

Do you trust YT to decide for you what is nonsense and what is not? I do not, and I think I could make a pretty good case as to why not.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by uranusjr »

ksec wrote: post #224
toomanyrichies wrote: post #80

Honest question- what is Google's exposure here? Both Youtube and Google (Youtube's parent company) are blocked in China; those revenue streams were cut off a long time ago. What does Google have to lose by letting Youtube keep the videos up? I'm sure the exposure exists; I recognize that Googlers aren't stupid. I honestly am just curious what that risk is. Having lived in Shanghai for 5 years, I don't see China reve…

Most people are far underestimating the Chinese influence. 1. Chinese working within Google and Youtube are just like working in Facebook [1], from Peter Thiel . > At Facebook, I’ll give you an example. You had with the Hong Kong protest a year ago, the employees from Hong Kong were all in favor of the protests and free speech. But there were more employees at Facebook who were born in China than who were born in Hon…

This is spot on. The decision is not made not (necessarily) because it benefits the company, but because more middle management actually think it’s “right”. FAANG are practically run by Chinese these days. (I am Taiwanese and hear about this kind of struggles all the time from friends working in US companies.)

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by tiahura »

wincy wrote: post #145
tiahura wrote: post #34

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Of course Russia and China are spreading it. If they’re not spreading disinformation in the US, then what in the world are their intelligence services doing to earn their paychecks? The US needs to IP blacklist Russia and China. If you do business in the US, you shouldn’t be able to connect to a network that is connected to Russia or China. Let the European and Asian backbone providers choose, do business with US bus…

It would be a real bummer to not be able to talk to my cousin in China for the high crime of teaching English in a foreign country.

I’m not sure your desire to chat with your cousin takes priority over national security.

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Post by rapind »

ElViajero wrote: post #219
jude- wrote: post #180

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They should just go ahead and pull their ads, then, and see what happens. Call their bluff.

The director that makes that move is going to be fired faster than China start to think to go back to normal. The problem from the start is the trade between USA (& Europe) and China is unbalanced. The USA is way more dependent to China than the other way around. This was the same mistake that the USA did with Japan. Move production there, think that they are stupid and never have any control over the manufacturing.…

"Move production there, think that they are stupid and never have any control over the manufacturing."

It's naive to believe that those who lobbied for and benefited from moving production to China were at all concerned about manufacturing control 30 years later. Fortunes were made. The current situation didn't sneak up on anyone, it's just that the people warning about it never had any real influence.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by _-david-_ »

callmejoe wrote: post #216
_-david-_ wrote: post #147

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I am in general agreement with you, but I think there should be a way for internet platforms to ban certain content. YouTube shouldn't be required to host porn (or anything too raunchy) just because it is a platform. This would almost certainly lead to young kids seeing porn. I know YouTube has age restriction videos but a parent could easily be signed in to their account which allows NSFW material and the next thing…

would that not be the parent's responsibility then? this argument reeks of "but think of the children" fallacy.

The parents would have no way of stopping it. If you want to allow child friendly content on YouTube you could not block YouTube on the computer. If YouTube put all nsfw content on nsfw.youtube.com then maybe you could make the argument but the average parent has no clue how to block a domain. I am not making the argument porn should be banned, only that certain platforms should not be required to host it especially if they have a large child audience.
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