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As I posted eleswhere, note that American Christian Evangelicals support Israel's right-wing policies much more strongly than American Jews, who are mostly liberal and Democrats. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=evangelical+support+for+israel+sit...
You should link directly to the sources you curate, rather than just linking a duckduckgo search.
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As I posted eleswhere, note that American Christian Evangelicals support Israel's right-wing policies much more strongly than American Jews, who are mostly liberal and Democrats. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=evangelical+support+for+israel+sit...
You should link directly to the sources you curate, rather than just linking a duckduckgo search.
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> At any rate, the aid the US gives to Israel has isn't the subject at hand so I'm not sure why you're raising it. We're talking about media coverage and world (not just the US) opinion. I don't know why you think that was the topic, but U.S. monetary aid (and voluminous other support) is hard factual evidence of opinion in the U.S. > When the media does report it totally lacks any context ... That's not my experienc…
I'm not really talking about American news media specifically. I don't read the NYT or the WSJ or watch Fox News. These are all anecdotes. I respect your perception but the news I consume don't seem to behave the same way. Naturally I have my own biases here. This seems to be a fairly decent article on the topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage_of_the_Arab%E2%... No conclusion. This is interesting: https…
Well, you keep moving the goalposts. I'm sticking with those goalposts, which are the leading news sources in the most important country by far in regard to Israel.
> This seems to be a fairly decent article on the topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/ ...
Seriously? Wikipedia? What basis is there for saying it's decent? But the NYT and WSJ aren't worth your time?
> "... it takes only 300 Israelis for each Google News item on Israel, clear proof that the country is being singled out for disproportionate coverage."
Singled out implies intent, which there's no evidence of. Are Americans highly interested in Israel and not interested in much of the world? That's not news, nor does it show any bias for or against Israel.
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> a military pledged to the maintenance of a purely secular state that will overthrow any overtly religious government That's an idea with a very bad history and no political legitimacy: What grounds does a general have to tell their neighbors what to do? Nobody voted for them. What stops the general from arbitrarily wielding that power? Why vest that power in the military? A civilian institution could make the decis…
I think you're being naive because the military always has that power, regardless of what people want to pretend. What would make it legitmate is that the people agreed to it ahead of time.
Maybe in your fantasies, but not in advanced democracies. Nobody would follow those orders; there's no evidence of it ever happening, in centuries. Technically, the people of Washington DC have the power to overthrow the government if they all rush the seats of power at the same time, but really they don't.
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> n individual passionately caring about all of those injustices at once will end up spamming social media with advocacy because there is not enough time to pick any one to do something with greater impact One solution, a well-established one, is to focus on universal human rights. The rising tide will lift all boats. Also, caring does not necessarily mean action. I do have limited time, but I've heard the above used…
When you can't even get major powers on board with universal human rights, what hope have you of going after others? They seem about as effective as the UN itself.
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In that case Israel should follow New Zealand's example and allow all Palestinians to become citizens, with full rights, stop being an ethnostate for Jews, stop with the racism and start behaving like the progressive country they pretend to be.
> allow all Palestinians to become citizens, with full rights, stop being an ethnostate for Jews If that happened, then Palestinians would outnumber Jews and could dominate the country democratically. I can understand the potential for discrimination. That's why the two state solution is often considered the only just solution: Both groups each have a country in which they are the majority. The Israeli right rejects…
As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…
As an American who moved here from a Muslim country let me assure you Muslims are socialized to feel the same way about Jews. Took me a long time to see it. In high school I obviously supported Palestine and thought Israel was a settler colony (all of it, not just Gaza). Then I realized: wait why do I even care? I’m from 3,000 miles away in Bangladesh. In Bangladesh, people don’t even care about Bangladeshis being he…
I have also occasionally tried researching the background of the claims made in some of the posts. Most were highly misleading or completely made up. So Facebook's campaign against misinformation might have something to do with the described removals. That being said, I still see tons of posts every day and don't have the impression that the platforms are hiding many of them. Even open calls for violence usually stay up.
The issue of alleged censorship aside, I am not convinced that this type of social media activism is beneficial for society. It would be great to have an open discussion on the many issues in the Middle East, but this doesn't really happen there. Most posts are straight up propaganda and and it appears to be taboo among Arabs on social media to even consider the Israeli point of view. Like the author of TFA, they even reject the term "conflict" because it might be thought to imply that both Israelis and Palestinians can have legitimate interests.
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I don't know if there's maybe something to this analysis on a global scale (certainly I've got zero confidence in the good faith of Saudi and Qatari foreign policy), and it's absolutely the case that there's an insidious strain of antisemitism hiding in advocacy for Palestinians, but plenty of people I talk to about this problem are observant Jewish people; they're absolutely not antisemites, or getting "played", any…
However, you said "maybe something to [GP's] analysis on a global scale" and also " The situation is by all accounts very, very bad."
From an Israeli perspective, this is the thing that bothers me. The situation re: Israel/Palestine is bad, but it's also nuanced and complicated and has very few paths forward, even to people very motivated to solve the problems. (Even if I had any political power, I really don't know what I would do at this stage.)
And yet, the way the situation is talked about on a global scale makes it seem: 1) way worse than it really is, 2) loses a lot of nuance and makes Israel look way worse than it really is, 3) makes the issue appear far more important compared to other problems happening in the world.
And the reason for the above is because of GP's analysis (or at least, that's what it seems like to me): a lot of countries have a huge interest in making the situation the one that people focus on. It's easier for many Muslim countries to make their citizens focus on a bad situation in Palestine (ignoring their own complicity in it), and thereby distract them from far, far worse situations happening literally every day.
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Yes, because they believe that they need to be on the side of Israel to satisfy the conditions of their apocalyptic fables.
Religious flamewar will get you banned here. Please don't post like this, regardless of whose religion you have a problem with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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