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Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by neolog »

deadite wrote: post #146
DevKoala wrote: post #135

Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

This sounds like a very anti-American sentiment. You don't get to air the dirty laundry of a country trying to keep a lid on chaos because they do something you don't like now and then. I want to know that the intelligence agencies, and the military that safe guard us, are able and willing to go to any length to preserve our way of living, even if it means they overstep. Not just one country, but all Five Eyes and th…

I have so many questions about your background and upbringing.

Edit: honestly I'm curious. Do you have family in the military or something?

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by anonymousiam »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #127
stefan_ wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean after an "actual journalist" put the password for the cache of all unredacted cables that "actual journalists" received in his book?

To this day, The Guardian refuses to admit that it released the unredacted cables to the public, and blames WikiLeaks for the release. One of The Guardian's own journalists used the decryption key as a chapter title in his book about WikiLeaks. The Guardian's excuse is that they thought the decryption key was temporary. I don't know if people at The Guardian really are that misinformed about how encryption works, or…

Given the publicity around the "poison pill" "insurance" archive, it's difficult to believe that anybody could not understand the severity of leaking that password.

Although not required or authorized to do so, Wikileaks tried to limit the exposure of sources who would be at risk if their identities were exposed. The unredacted information exposed many sources and put lives at risk. The USG blames Wikileaks for this because they released the encrypted archive. I have never heard of an investigation or prosecution into the circumstances of the password release, but if Wikileaks is responsible, then David Leigh should be as well.

https://wikileaks.org/Guardian-journalist-negligently.html

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by sketchyj »

deadite wrote: post #146
DevKoala wrote: post #135

Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

This sounds like a very anti-American sentiment. You don't get to air the dirty laundry of a country trying to keep a lid on chaos because they do something you don't like now and then. I want to know that the intelligence agencies, and the military that safe guard us, are able and willing to go to any length to preserve our way of living, even if it means they overstep. Not just one country, but all Five Eyes and th…

That's a lot of words but you didn't answer the question. The CIA and FBI are not accountable to Americans. You may be a fan of, or even work for, these institutions. But they are unaccountable and authoritarian and opaque.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by slipframe »

deadite wrote: post #146
DevKoala wrote: post #135

Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

This sounds like a very anti-American sentiment. You don't get to air the dirty laundry of a country trying to keep a lid on chaos because they do something you don't like now and then. I want to know that the intelligence agencies, and the military that safe guard us, are able and willing to go to any length to preserve our way of living, even if it means they overstep. Not just one country, but all Five Eyes and th…

> This sounds like a very anti-American sentiment

Chilling words...

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by Dah00n »

deadite wrote: post #146
DevKoala wrote: post #135

Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

This sounds like a very anti-American sentiment. You don't get to air the dirty laundry of a country trying to keep a lid on chaos because they do something you don't like now and then. I want to know that the intelligence agencies, and the military that safe guard us, are able and willing to go to any length to preserve our way of living, even if it means they overstep. Not just one country, but all Five Eyes and th…

If that is "very anti-American sentiment" I'll bet a beer (or 10) that 99% of the earth share that "anti-American sentiment".

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by sb057 »

DevKoala wrote: post #135

Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

Vote for politicians who will pass laws that dictate how they are to operate. Alternatively, if it is an avenue in your state, start a referendum to pass a state law calling for a Constitutional Convention (requires 34 states) to pass an amendment to deal with it.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by emmelaich »

DevKoala wrote: post #135

Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

Vote for the party which is most critical on them.

Currently Republicans though it used to be the Democrats.

Embedding undercover agitators in radical groups goes on all the time I'm sure. It's valuable but very easily abused, too.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by landemva »

extra88 wrote: post #102
NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The West being less hostile to and more willing to collaborate with Russia is a frequent position promoted in Pacific Green circles Pure DNC propaganda. Zero basis in reality.

I assume by "Pacific Green" you mean the Pacific Green Party of Oregon. A quote from the party platform: > We the People must: […] End the cold war with Iran and the resurgent cold war with Russia, forestall the emerging economic war with China, and withdraw from NATO. You might argue that this doesn't require being more willing to collaborate with Russia but it absolutely means being less hostile to Russia. https://…

I had not heard of that political party. Those positions seem smart and reasonable for a country drowning in deficit spending.

Withdraw from NATO would be a good start.

The not-to-be-praised former President attempted troop drawdown from Germany, which was quickly reversed earlier this year.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by Dah00n »

billyhoffman wrote: post #95
capableweb wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you share this decent evidence for us who haven't seen it before?

Wikileaks posted diplomatic cables without redacting the names or other forms of PII. Actual journalists from the New York Times, Der Speigel, Le Monde, The Guardian, and El País all signed a statement saying this was a gross breach of people’s privacy and potentially put these people in danger. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/02/leader... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_ca…

You quote The Guardian, who published the decryption key? That's an interesting choice of source.

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Post by Dah00n »

jude- wrote: post #97
billyhoffman wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikileaks posted diplomatic cables without redacting the names or other forms of PII. Actual journalists from the New York Times, Der Speigel, Le Monde, The Guardian, and El País all signed a statement saying this was a gross breach of people’s privacy and potentially put these people in danger. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/02/leader... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_ca…

This is the reason why I don't feel too bad for Julian Assange, and why I don't refer to him as a "journalist." Not redacting PII is such a rookie mistake that I can't see it as anything other than journalistic malpractice.

You don't feel bad for him because you have misunderstood what actually happened? Wikileaks had an encrypted file but it was a Guardian journalist that published the key to decrypt it. What you are suggesting is that Wikileaks should censor the source files before journalists got them. That is not how proof works. Redacted files isn't proof but tampered evidence. The fault is 100% on the person that leaked the decryption key. Blaming Julian Assange for this leak is jumping to conclusions.
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