Stundin is a tabloid. Let's wait until this report is confirmed by more reputable sources before declaring Assange innocent.
Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
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Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm not sure how it's politically inconvenient for me when I'm a registered Pacific Green. The West being less hostile to and more willing to collaborate with Russia is a frequent position promoted in Pacific Green circles; Russia being tied to active hostile activity against Western regimes is politically inconvenient to that message.
>The West being less hostile to and more willing to collaborate with Russia is a frequent position promoted in Pacific Green circles Pure DNC propaganda. Zero basis in reality.
I assume by "Pacific Green" you mean the Pacific Green Party of Oregon. A quote from the party platform:
> We the People must: […] End the cold war with Iran and the resurgent cold war with Russia, forestall the emerging economic war with China, and withdraw from NATO.
You might argue that this doesn't require being more willing to collaborate with Russia but it absolutely means being less hostile to Russia.
Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
#103Important to note that nothing Wikileaks has published has ever had to be retracted. They've told the truth to the public about governments, which is why they're targeted. In fact several Pulitzer Prizes have been awarded thanks to their efforts. They've never been shown to put anyone at risk either, a testament to their careful vetting process, showing that they're responsible too. This is clearly a political attack…
Both the leak of the DNC files, and the purported leak of files by a Putin critic, were found to contain numerous forged documents. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2017/05/26/russi...)
In a heinous followup, Assange claimed that a murdered DNC staffer was the party responsible for the DNC leak...based on no evidence except Assange's bro-love for Donald Trump. (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/wikileak...)
But sure, let's pretend that nothing Wikileaks has posted has ever been shown to be fake or falsified, or that Assange himself has never lied.
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#104Nothing more jarring than the harrowing treatment of Assange by the US, contrasted with their subsequent lecturing and sanctioning of Belarus re Roman Protasevich, or Russia re Navalny.
Zero integrity.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
The bar for extradition doesn't require the US to prove it - the only place they need to prove it is in court when he's in the US. And "Russiagate" is a bit more nuanced than that - Wikileaks claimed to have GOP emails as well but for some reason never released them.
> Wikileaks claimed to have GOP emails as well but for some reason never released them. [citation needed]
I haven't heard that claim before either.
The Wikipedia sources for the DNC hack article [0] say the RNC wasn't successfully hacked. "GOP" refers to the entire Republican Party so I suppose there could be emails from a different Republican origin than the RNC.
> intelligence organizations additionally concluded Russia attempted to hack the Republican National Committee (RNC) as well as the DNC but were prevented by security defenses on the RNC network.
Searching for a source for the GOP claim did remind me of internal WikiLeaks messages from 2015 showing at least Assange's preference for the GOP over Hilary Clinton.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak#United_States_intelligence_conclusions
[1] https://theintercept.com/2018/02/14/julian-assange-wikileaks-election-clinton-trump/Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is interesting that apparently the GOP's email server was hacked as well, but nothing was ever released publicly. I'm no fan at all of the DNC but if "all politicians are dirty" is a thing, then why did no dirt spill out from the other side? Was it more valuable as kompromat?
Highly misleading. The DNC’s mail servers got hacked and they got everything done The “RNC hack” was one guy’s old laptop with a years out of date local outlook db. Not even in the same league.
> The “RNC hack” was one guy’s old laptop with a years out of date local outlook db.
You have proof of that? This says otherwise.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-...
I'm replying for the sake of challenging your statement but I know it's likely not possible to have an honest discussion about it because you appear to be taking a partisan stance. I have no love for either party, and even if I did love the Dems, I'd be more than happy to acknowledge any and all failings of theirs.
Can you say the same thing?
Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
The bar for extradition doesn't require the US to prove it - the only place they need to prove it is in court when he's in the US. And "Russiagate" is a bit more nuanced than that - Wikileaks claimed to have GOP emails as well but for some reason never released them.
> Wikileaks claimed to have GOP emails as well but for some reason never released them. [citation needed]
Emails specifically? I'm not sure if that has ever been confirmed, but this is directly from Assange[1]:
>“We do have some information about the Republican campaign,” he said Friday, according to The Washington Post.
>“I mean, it’s from a point of view of an investigative journalist organization like WikiLeaks, the problem with the Trump campaign is it’s actually hard for us to publish much more controversial material than what comes out of Donald Trump’s mouth every second day," Assange said.
When it comes to leaks about Democrats, everything is worth publishing. When it comes to leaks about Republicans, it needs to "controversial" to be worth publishing.
[1] - https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/2934...
Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
#108Nothing more jarring than the harrowing treatment of Assange by the US, contrasted with their subsequent lecturing and sanctioning of Belarus re Roman Protasevich, or Russia re Navalny. Zero integrity.
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Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Opinion split, many think he's an arch criminal. Certainly hasn't made US diplomacy any easier. I'd gander that Assange, Snowden and Trump are the main reasons why our alliances are shaky. (I'm an American but this affects the whole Western alliance)
Not committing warcrimes, not going after whistleblowers and journalists, not torturing people in prison and keeping them confined for years without trial, and not spying on the citizens of your own and foreign countries would help the US diplomacy. It is like saying that rape victims who went to the police are the reason that the life of the rapist is ruined instead of his choice to rape people.
What about the rest of the leaks that didn't involve the items you mentioned? What portion of his leaks were related to legitimate classified info? How many times has he recklessly failed to properly redact? How many lives put at risk? How many blown ops?
Why focus on West?
Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
#110Nothing more jarring than the harrowing treatment of Assange by the US, contrasted with their subsequent lecturing and sanctioning of Belarus re Roman Protasevich, or Russia re Navalny. Zero integrity.
Has the US tried to extra judicially murder Assange?