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> but there are clearly two classes of population: Israelis, and people living under Israeli military control without being Israeli Any trustable source to back this up?
The gaslighting is a bit ridiculous. The occupation in places like Gaza isn’t a secret. Your posts are comical.
Israel is an apartheid state. Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. Anti-zionism is not equal to anti-semitism. Just like I can criticize the USA without hating Americans, or criticize Iran without discriminating against muslims.
I agree that some of Israel's actions in the west bank are better not done and palestinians should have a right for self determination. However, the statement that Israel steals land is false. Israel has never stolen land from anyone. The previous owners of the west bank were the Jordanians and the previous owners of the Gaza Strip were the Eygptians, who lost this land in a war they initiated. Like in every conflict…
Sorry to be an armchair commenter here, but I think this opinion is not highly agreed upon by internet sources in easy reach. Wikipedia at least suggests that the first strikes came from Israel's side[1].
> On 5 June, Israel launched a series of airstrikes against Egyptian airfields, initially claiming that it had been attacked by Egypt, but later stating that the airstrikes were preemptive.
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I agree that some of Israel's actions in the west bank are better not done and palestinians should have a right for self determination. However, the statement that Israel steals land is false. Israel has never stolen land from anyone. The previous owners of the west bank were the Jordanians and the previous owners of the Gaza Strip were the Eygptians, who lost this land in a war they initiated. Like in every conflict…
> the Jordanians [..] the Egyptians [..] a war they initiated. Sorry to be an armchair commenter here, but I think this opinion is not highly agreed upon by internet sources in easy reach. Wikipedia at least suggests that the first strikes came from Israel's side[1]. > On 5 June, Israel launched a series of airstrikes against Egyptian airfields, initially claiming that it had been attacked by Egypt, but later stating…
Saying that Israel started the war is akin to saying Britain and France started WW2 by declaring war on Germany.
They did decrlare war and initiated the first hostile act, but virtually no one considers the UK and france as responsible for the start of WW2, there were many events that led to the declaration of war that show beyond doubt that the Nazis were delibaretely acting aggressively and left no choice for UK and France, but to continue diplomacy by "other means".
Same goes in the case of the 67' war - if a country would have started a naval blockade on the US would it be considered an act of war? sure it would.
Prior to the 1967 war, Eygpt closed the Straits of Tiran, effectively blocking Israel from half of the world.
Just to put things in perspective - 90% of Israeli oil passed through the Straits of Tiran. So this was a really big deal as all the Israeli economy was dependent on the straits being open for commerce.
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> the Jordanians [..] the Egyptians [..] a war they initiated. Sorry to be an armchair commenter here, but I think this opinion is not highly agreed upon by internet sources in easy reach. Wikipedia at least suggests that the first strikes came from Israel's side[1]. > On 5 June, Israel launched a series of airstrikes against Egyptian airfields, initially claiming that it had been attacked by Egypt, but later stating…
Thanks for the comment, but I doubt you read the whole article. Saying that Israel started the war is akin to saying Britain and France started WW2 by declaring war on Germany. They did decrlare war and initiated the first hostile act, but virtually no one considers the UK and france as responsible for the start of WW2, there were many events that led to the declaration of war that show beyond doubt that the Nazis we…
Also when France and the UK declared war on Germany, it had already occupied Poland using armed forces, so I feel like your comparison is a little tenuous.
My understanding of the six day war is not good, I'll admit that, it's based on some very vague memories of my history class in school and on some late night Wikipedia reading, but I am very confident that Israel doesn't have the moral high ground to the level of certainty that your original post implies.
(Also I would have liked that before accusing me of not reading my source, maybe you'd considered that even though we've read the same words we might get to different conclusions, and that's fine)
You'll find that HN is going to be only too happy to silence this as well.
Even as a non jew i think that is good. Simply because even educated muslims don't voice against religion and concur with he group think and i feel threatened while discussing any religious issue with muslims even when they have phd. Although other religions are equally bad in their principles, i dont feel threatened discussing against christianity or any other religion.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Religious flamewar is not welcome on HN in general (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...), but this was a step even beyond that.
One of the most chilling maps I've ever seen is the one of Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory. It looks like a cell using lysosomes to kill prey. https://i.imgur.com/v1lNHEY.jpg @dang Care to weigh in on this submission? Seems to be a lot of flagging/vouching going on.
HN should just ban controversial topics. Every time, these threads just devolve into mass flagging and downvoting and many times its usually one-sided depending on the majority view. Not interesting and not fun at all.
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
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Anything critical of Israel is persistently [Flagged] to death.
Astroturfed by the Israeli social media mafia. You can downvote this but it is well documented that the government unit that does this exists and the patterns are evident here.
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It is about Tech platforms deciding to side with Israel and silencing palestinians in social media. We have had plenty of discussions here about social media censorship (especially during covid and trump era). This is a valid discussion as well as it is about human rights. If we can talk and about Indian and Nigerian, or Chinese censorship against the Uyghurs and the Tiananmen square masacre, then we can talk about I…
If your post calls for destroying Israel, then it deserves to be removed. You might not know, but hardline Sunni Muslims are very racist towards Jews. They regularly quote verses from the Quran and Hadiths where Jews are incarnations of satans and should not be tolerated. They also regularly quote anti-non Muslim quotes in social media calling them Kafirs. If you live near a significant population of hardliner Sunni…
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Edit: also, please stop creating multiple accounts.
Edit 2: actually, you've been breaking the site guidelines enough that I've banned your account. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27645941.
Israel is an apartheid state. Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. Anti-zionism is not equal to anti-semitism. Just like I can criticize the USA without hating Americans, or criticize Iran without discriminating against muslims.
Awesome comment about technology. Clearly this is the right forum for it……………
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So you're saying that the posts should be removed not because of what they say but because of their motives . And who decides what are the posts motives? You, of course. Israel is running a slow-motion ethnic cleansing campaign against Palestinians, practices apartheid, and violates international law by building settlements on occupied territories... but you say that the reason Palestinians hate Israelis is because o…
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If it were just the one thread, I'd let you off with a warning, but this is egregious (and it seems you've done this with other accounts in the past, too). Therefore I've banned this account.
If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
Edit: just in case anyone is worried about it: when we ban accounts in politically contentious threads, it's not because we secretly disagree with the politics of the banned account. Our goal is simply to enforce the site guidelines and prevent HN from turning into a flamewar hell, the end state of which would be scorched earth (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...). The history of moderation comments here—not that anyone would want to slog through it—contains plenty of examples of HN users getting banned from every possible political angle.