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I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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This post is totally political. Having very little to do with technology. And the post completely ignores nuances and objectivity. It has already chosen a side. I guess because that's hip in the woke liberal era.

The post is about technology, but obviously you don’t agree with the subject matter, as evident by your dismissal of it as being “woke liberal”. That’s a pretty hypocritical statement.

Of course social media is technology. But so are brick houses, scissors, and trousers.

This post does not belong in this site because it is more political than related to technology.

Just notice the tone in the article. It screams "politically charged post".

It has very little or nothing to do with technology.

I did not dismiss it for being "woke liberal". I dismissed it because it moves away from the ethics of journalist being objective and seeing nuance. They don't in this case.

And social media is decades old. This post is nowhere near about being a post about technology.

Is telephone directory fraud a post about tech? Telephone is a tech.

In that same way the post rides on reporting on tech but is really a political piece.

The owner (daughter of Eric Schmidt) is probably trying to score brownie points by making Israel the villain. Because they are an easy target and no one minds.

Remember the people who killed Jamal Khasoggi? They came by airplane (also a technology) and coordinated with satphones and cellphones (also technology). That news is not Rest of World material.

Social media is decades old, and if there's any censorship going on, it is comparable to newspaper sensorship and tech is not central (newspapers use computers and internet, so are they tech?).

And since this is controversial, this should not be in HN.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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post #12
post #10

This post is totally political. Having very little to do with technology. And the post completely ignores nuances and objectivity. It has already chosen a side. I guess because that's hip in the woke liberal era.

It is about Tech platforms deciding to side with Israel and silencing palestinians in social media. We have had plenty of discussions here about social media censorship (especially during covid and trump era). This is a valid discussion as well as it is about human rights. If we can talk and about Indian and Nigerian, or Chinese censorship against the Uyghurs and the Tiananmen square masacre, then we can talk about I…

If your post calls for destroying Israel, then it deserves to be removed.

You might not know, but hardline Sunni Muslims are very racist towards Jews. They regularly quote verses from the Quran and Hadiths where Jews are incarnations of satans and should not be tolerated.

They also regularly quote anti-non Muslim quotes in social media calling them Kafirs.

If you live near a significant population of hardliner Sunni Muslims, you'd know this.

Bengali social media is filled with such rhetoric. There were open celebration of the French teacher getting beheaded for the Muhammad cartoon. Seeking the death of all Jews is very common.

Such posts deserve to be removed.

You call for death of an entire ethnicity, that is valid reason of posts getting removed.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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post #18

It shows screenshots of people calling the actions of Israel apartheid. I am not taking anything seriously that calls Israel an "apartheid state". You don't know what apartheid is. Arabic Muslims and non-Muslims alike has more rights and power in Israel than all other Arab states combined. People are free to choose leaders via election. Did you know that one of parties in the current Israeli ruling coalition is an Ar…

Well...we should rather trust Human Rights Watch's report [1] than such "cut-paste" propaganda manifesto. Each of the points mentioned here can so easily be refuted and so well established, I don't even bother getting into each of those. I believe HN readers are smart enough to do their due diligence.

[1] https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra...

Peace!

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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HN should just ban controversial topics. Every time, these threads just devolve into mass flagging and downvoting and many times its usually one-sided depending on the majority view. Not interesting and not fun at all.

Political posts are banned unless they involve technology

Pretty much everything involves technology today. What was that famous quote? "Software will eat the world" or something like this?

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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post #22
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is about Tech platforms deciding to side with Israel and silencing palestinians in social media. We have had plenty of discussions here about social media censorship (especially during covid and trump era). This is a valid discussion as well as it is about human rights. If we can talk and about Indian and Nigerian, or Chinese censorship against the Uyghurs and the Tiananmen square masacre, then we can talk about I…

If your post calls for destroying Israel, then it deserves to be removed. You might not know, but hardline Sunni Muslims are very racist towards Jews. They regularly quote verses from the Quran and Hadiths where Jews are incarnations of satans and should not be tolerated. They also regularly quote anti-non Muslim quotes in social media calling them Kafirs. If you live near a significant population of hardliner Sunni…

> If your post calls for destroying Israel, then it deserves to be removed.

There are tons of posts from Americans talking about wiping various countries off the map. Should those posts also be removed? Should those users be banned?

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Given that HN is regularly read (and commented on) by some of the top minds in world IT, I personally feel it would be a travesty simply not to mention some of the biggest issues and topics facing the world today. I personally feel there's nothing more important than engaging those high profile and influential minds on these big issues if we have any hope of solving or at least improving them.

Anything critical of Israel is persistently [Flagged] to death.

Astroturfed by the Israeli social media mafia.

You can downvote this but it is well documented that the government unit that does this exists and the patterns are evident here.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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post #18

It shows screenshots of people calling the actions of Israel apartheid. I am not taking anything seriously that calls Israel an "apartheid state". You don't know what apartheid is. Arabic Muslims and non-Muslims alike has more rights and power in Israel than all other Arab states combined. People are free to choose leaders via election. Did you know that one of parties in the current Israeli ruling coalition is an Ar…

I think the “Apartheid state” accusation refers to the occupied territories, and the fact that the people living there are not afforded the rights of Israeli citizenship, while still being under Israeli control

Maybe Apartheid state is not the right term, but there are clearly two classes of population: Israelis, and people living under Israeli military control without being Israeli

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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post #18

It shows screenshots of people calling the actions of Israel apartheid. I am not taking anything seriously that calls Israel an "apartheid state". You don't know what apartheid is. Arabic Muslims and non-Muslims alike has more rights and power in Israel than all other Arab states combined. People are free to choose leaders via election. Did you know that one of parties in the current Israeli ruling coalition is an Ar…

>It shows screenshots of people calling the actions of Israel apartheid. I am not taking anything seriously that calls Israel an "apartheid state". You don't know what apartheid is.

>Arabic Muslims and non-Muslims alike has more rights and power in Israel than all other Arab states combined.

Only if you're an Israeli citizen. If you're Palestinian, you're liable to be kicked out of your house by the Israeli government without recourse or warning.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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post #18

It shows screenshots of people calling the actions of Israel apartheid. I am not taking anything seriously that calls Israel an "apartheid state". You don't know what apartheid is. Arabic Muslims and non-Muslims alike has more rights and power in Israel than all other Arab states combined. People are free to choose leaders via election. Did you know that one of parties in the current Israeli ruling coalition is an Ar…

How do you explain the ongoing eviction, backed by IDF enforcement, of Sheikh Jarrah? If Palestinians have equal rights and Israel has stopped occupying Gaza and encroaching on Gazan land, why are there constant clashes between settlers and Gazans in the West Bank?

How do you explain the disproportionate response from Israel, carpet bombing Gaza indiscriminately, not even focusing on military targets? What about the cries of death to Arabs that Israelis were filmed shouting during the latest campaign?

You’re also attempting to paint things in a light that washes over the obvious missteps and war crimes of Israel.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your post calls for destroying Israel, then it deserves to be removed. You might not know, but hardline Sunni Muslims are very racist towards Jews. They regularly quote verses from the Quran and Hadiths where Jews are incarnations of satans and should not be tolerated. They also regularly quote anti-non Muslim quotes in social media calling them Kafirs. If you live near a significant population of hardliner Sunni…

> If your post calls for destroying Israel, then it deserves to be removed. There are tons of posts from Americans talking about wiping various countries off the map. Should those posts also be removed? Should those users be banned?

Yes.

If they are racially motivated, and shows hatred towards a whole ethinicity and people, yes, the posts should be removed and the users banned after repeat violations.

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