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Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by truth_ »

Udik wrote: post #46
truth_ wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. If they are racially motivated, and shows hatred towards a whole ethinicity and people, yes, the posts should be removed and the users banned after repeat violations.

So you're saying that the posts should be removed not because of what they say but because of their motives . And who decides what are the posts motives? You, of course. Israel is running a slow-motion ethnic cleansing campaign against Palestinians, practices apartheid, and violates international law by building settlements on occupied territories... but you say that the reason Palestinians hate Israelis is because o…

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Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by jgb1984 »

Israel is an apartheid state. Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do.

Anti-zionism is not equal to anti-semitism. Just like I can criticize the USA without hating Americans, or criticize Iran without discriminating against muslims.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by Udik »

truth_ wrote: post #51
Udik wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're saying that the posts should be removed not because of what they say but because of their motives . And who decides what are the posts motives? You, of course. Israel is running a slow-motion ethnic cleansing campaign against Palestinians, practices apartheid, and violates international law by building settlements on occupied territories... but you say that the reason Palestinians hate Israelis is because o…

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> Race is a very important component on Paletinians hating Jews.

This is an entirely irrelevant, even ridiculous, argument, given the present situation. Which is that there is a very concrete and justified reason for Palestinians to hate Israel, and that's because Israel is oppressing them in a way that no people would ever tolerate and that would be classified and prosecuted as a crime if the perpetrators were any others than the West's darlings.

By the way, a friend of mine is a Palestinian from the West Bank who was subject to Israeli persecution, and had in the end to flee elsewhere. She is Christian, as has been her family since time immemorial. I can assure you she heartily hates Israel nonetheless. (10% of Palestinians were Christians, that's something Israel prefers to gloss over, since any empathy from the Christian west is dangerous).

You want to talk about the atavic, religious hatred that Palestinians harbour for Jews? Cool, then remove all the actual, justifiable reasons for that hatred and after that, if there's any left, we can talk about it.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by oliwarner »

truth_ wrote: post #22
ardit33 wrote: post #12

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It is about Tech platforms deciding to side with Israel and silencing palestinians in social media. We have had plenty of discussions here about social media censorship (especially during covid and trump era). This is a valid discussion as well as it is about human rights. If we can talk and about Indian and Nigerian, or Chinese censorship against the Uyghurs and the Tiananmen square masacre, then we can talk about I…

If your post calls for destroying Israel, then it deserves to be removed. You might not know, but hardline Sunni Muslims are very racist towards Jews. They regularly quote verses from the Quran and Hadiths where Jews are incarnations of satans and should not be tolerated. They also regularly quote anti-non Muslim quotes in social media calling them Kafirs. If you live near a significant population of hardliner Sunni…

Is it not okay to ask for a partial reconstruction? Israel occupies land that is internationally recognised as not being Israel's. Demanding restitution, even occupation to enforce a peace. They're all extremely difficult ideas if you're Israeli, but perhaps required to start to put a broken situation right.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by krysp »

truth_ wrote: post #51
Udik wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're saying that the posts should be removed not because of what they say but because of their motives . And who decides what are the posts motives? You, of course. Israel is running a slow-motion ethnic cleansing campaign against Palestinians, practices apartheid, and violates international law by building settlements on occupied territories... but you say that the reason Palestinians hate Israelis is because o…

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You've entirely ignored the thrust of the parents argument.

I'd also point out that from the perspective of a secular westerner, even if one group is calling for the genocide of the other regularly; is the other group, which is actually committing genocide regularly, able to be held up as morally superior in any way? Is that group (Israeli Zionists) actually worth defending at all?

You have to remember that for the vast majority of the world, neither religious viewpoint holds much weight; only the globally agreed common ethics.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by tothecore13423 »

decremental wrote: post #2

You'll find that HN is going to be only too happy to silence this as well.

Even as a non jew i think that is good. Simply because even educated muslims don't voice against religion and concur with he group think and i feel threatened while discussing any religious issue with muslims even when they have phd. Although other religions are equally bad in their principles, i dont feel threatened discussing against christianity or any other religion.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by arcanon »

jgb1984 wrote: post #52

Israel is an apartheid state. Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. Anti-zionism is not equal to anti-semitism. Just like I can criticize the USA without hating Americans, or criticize Iran without discriminating against muslims.

Awesome comment about technology. Clearly this is the right forum for it……………

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by ireallydontcar3 »

truth_ wrote: post #38
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #29

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How do you explain the ongoing eviction, backed by IDF enforcement, of Sheikh Jarrah? If Palestinians have equal rights and Israel has stopped occupying Gaza and encroaching on Gazan land, why are there constant clashes between settlers and Gazans in the West Bank? How do you explain the disproportionate response from Israel, carpet bombing Gaza indiscriminately, not even focusing on military targets? What about the…

> carpet bombing Gaza indiscriminately It's just their words against theirs. I don't know what happened to the anti-Arab chanters, in my opinion, they should be sued (and arrested when appropriate). And "Israelis" did not shout those. They were from an ultra nationalist faction. It's not Israelis vs. Palestinians. It's Hamas wanting to kill every Jew it can, and Israel attacking Hamas to save its citizens, and then i…

I think the main question from op was this- it completely rips apart all the propaganda you’ve been writing throughout this thread.

> How do you explain the ongoing eviction, backed by IDF enforcement, of Sheikh Jarrah? If Palestinians have equal rights and Israel has stopped occupying Gaza and encroaching on Gazan land, why are there constant clashes between settlers and Gazans in the West Bank?

The fact that you ignored that question in favor of Hamas wanting to destroy Israel (which is a well known, undisputed fact) honestly shows you the know the truth and are complicit in deceit.

I’m curious do you work directly for the IDF, or are you from the group of people who just hate Arabs and wish they’d disappear?

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by Protostome »

jgb1984 wrote: post #52

Israel is an apartheid state. Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. Anti-zionism is not equal to anti-semitism. Just like I can criticize the USA without hating Americans, or criticize Iran without discriminating against muslims.

I agree that some of Israel's actions in the west bank are better not done and palestinians should have a right for self determination.

However, the statement that Israel steals land is false. Israel has never stolen land from anyone. The previous owners of the west bank were the Jordanians and the previous owners of the Gaza Strip were the Eygptians, who lost this land in a war they initiated.

Like in every conflict in the world, crimes are comitted by both parties. During the 90s and early 00s suicide bombers kill thousands of Israelis - that's the reason Israel built a wall around the west bank.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by proshno »

Protostome wrote: post #59
jgb1984 wrote: post #52

Israel is an apartheid state. Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. Anti-zionism is not equal to anti-semitism. Just like I can criticize the USA without hating Americans, or criticize Iran without discriminating against muslims.

I agree that some of Israel's actions in the west bank are better not done and palestinians should have a right for self determination. However, the statement that Israel steals land is false. Israel has never stolen land from anyone. The previous owners of the west bank were the Jordanians and the previous owners of the Gaza Strip were the Eygptians, who lost this land in a war they initiated. Like in every conflict…

If you saying that Israel is not stealing Palestinian land, then you are simply ignoring a very well established and already proved fact. Instead of me trying to explain it, I would rather give you one piece information provided by a recognized Israeli source:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/.pr...

Hope, you will get a better sense of the truth.

Peace!

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