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Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by truth_ »

Qwertious wrote: post #28
truth_ wrote: post #18

It shows screenshots of people calling the actions of Israel apartheid. I am not taking anything seriously that calls Israel an "apartheid state". You don't know what apartheid is. Arabic Muslims and non-Muslims alike has more rights and power in Israel than all other Arab states combined. People are free to choose leaders via election. Did you know that one of parties in the current Israeli ruling coalition is an Ar…

>It shows screenshots of people calling the actions of Israel apartheid. I am not taking anything seriously that calls Israel an "apartheid state". You don't know what apartheid is. >Arabic Muslims and non-Muslims alike has more rights and power in Israel than all other Arab states combined. Only if you're an Israeli citizen. If you're Palestinian, you're liable to be kicked out of your house by the Israeli governmen…

Exactly.

If Israel were an apartheid state, then even the Arabs living inside Israel would not have rights.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by truth_ »

namdnay wrote: post #27
truth_ wrote: post #18

It shows screenshots of people calling the actions of Israel apartheid. I am not taking anything seriously that calls Israel an "apartheid state". You don't know what apartheid is. Arabic Muslims and non-Muslims alike has more rights and power in Israel than all other Arab states combined. People are free to choose leaders via election. Did you know that one of parties in the current Israeli ruling coalition is an Ar…

I think the “Apartheid state” accusation refers to the occupied territories, and the fact that the people living there are not afforded the rights of Israeli citizenship, while still being under Israeli control Maybe Apartheid state is not the right term, but there are clearly two classes of population: Israelis, and people living under Israeli military control without being Israeli

> but there are clearly two classes of population: Israelis, and people living under Israeli military control without being Israeli

Any trustable source to back this up?

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by ridiculous_leke »

truth_ wrote: post #10

This post is totally political. Having very little to do with technology. And the post completely ignores nuances and objectivity. It has already chosen a side. I guess because that's hip in the woke liberal era.

You got woke liberals defending Hamas nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by namdnay »

truth_ wrote: post #32
namdnay wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the “Apartheid state” accusation refers to the occupied territories, and the fact that the people living there are not afforded the rights of Israeli citizenship, while still being under Israeli control Maybe Apartheid state is not the right term, but there are clearly two classes of population: Israelis, and people living under Israeli military control without being Israeli

> but there are clearly two classes of population: Israelis, and people living under Israeli military control without being Israeli Any trustable source to back this up?

Sources on what? The existence of occupied territories? Or the fact that the occupied population can’t vote in Israeli elections?

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by spamizbad »

truth_ wrote: post #30
spamizbad wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If your post calls for destroying Israel, then it deserves to be removed. There are tons of posts from Americans talking about wiping various countries off the map. Should those posts also be removed? Should those users be banned?

Yes. If they are racially motivated, and shows hatred towards a whole ethinicity and people, yes, the posts should be removed and the users banned after repeat violations.

Sounds like you've set a system up full of semantic issues. For example, saying "Death to Israel" is in pretty clear violation of this rule.

But what about "Turn Iraq into a glass parking lot"? Someone could argue that they aren't targeting a "whole ethnicity" because Iraq is simply one of many Arab/Muslim-majority nations - and not even in the top 3 most populous Arab countries. After all, the person didn't say "Kill every Muslim" nor did they say "Bomb all Muslim countries" -- they just stated one of MANY countries that happens to be majority Muslim.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by namdnay »

truth_ wrote: post #31
Qwertious wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It shows screenshots of people calling the actions of Israel apartheid. I am not taking anything seriously that calls Israel an "apartheid state". You don't know what apartheid is. >Arabic Muslims and non-Muslims alike has more rights and power in Israel than all other Arab states combined. Only if you're an Israeli citizen. If you're Palestinian, you're liable to be kicked out of your house by the Israeli governmen…

Exactly. If Israel were an apartheid state, then even the Arabs living inside Israel would not have rights.

Apartheid doesn’t have to be based on religion. Here it is based on being born in Israel vs being born in the occupied territories

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by proshno »

truth_ wrote: post #32
namdnay wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the “Apartheid state” accusation refers to the occupied territories, and the fact that the people living there are not afforded the rights of Israeli citizenship, while still being under Israeli control Maybe Apartheid state is not the right term, but there are clearly two classes of population: Israelis, and people living under Israeli military control without being Israeli

> but there are clearly two classes of population: Israelis, and people living under Israeli military control without being Israeli Any trustable source to back this up?

Here is one for you:

https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is...

FYI, this is from B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights organization.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by truth_ »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #29
truth_ wrote: post #18

It shows screenshots of people calling the actions of Israel apartheid. I am not taking anything seriously that calls Israel an "apartheid state". You don't know what apartheid is. Arabic Muslims and non-Muslims alike has more rights and power in Israel than all other Arab states combined. People are free to choose leaders via election. Did you know that one of parties in the current Israeli ruling coalition is an Ar…

How do you explain the ongoing eviction, backed by IDF enforcement, of Sheikh Jarrah? If Palestinians have equal rights and Israel has stopped occupying Gaza and encroaching on Gazan land, why are there constant clashes between settlers and Gazans in the West Bank? How do you explain the disproportionate response from Israel, carpet bombing Gaza indiscriminately, not even focusing on military targets? What about the…

> carpet bombing Gaza indiscriminately

It's just their words against theirs.

I don't know what happened to the anti-Arab chanters, in my opinion, they should be sued (and arrested when appropriate). And "Israelis" did not shout those. They were from an ultra nationalist faction.

It's not Israelis vs. Palestinians. It's Hamas wanting to kill every Jew it can, and Israel attacking Hamas to save its citizens, and then innocent Palestinians getting killed because they were used as human shield by Hamas.

If Hamas stops ruling Gaza, and the leadership are properly brought to justice, and Israel still does what it is doing today, I will turn pro-Palestine in a heartbeat.

And honestly I don't like the power orthodox Rabbis have in Israel. I am opposed to clergy- Jew, Islamic, Hindu- does not matter.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by truth_ »

namdnay wrote: post #36
truth_ wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. If Israel were an apartheid state, then even the Arabs living inside Israel would not have rights.

Apartheid doesn’t have to be based on religion. Here it is based on being born in Israel vs being born in the occupied territories

Where are these occupied territories?

"Arab" is not a religion, it's an ethnicity.

Blacks in SA did not have any rights. Arabs have rights in Israel.

It is not an apartheid.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by throwaway210222 »

truth_ wrote: post #31
Qwertious wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It shows screenshots of people calling the actions of Israel apartheid. I am not taking anything seriously that calls Israel an "apartheid state". You don't know what apartheid is. >Arabic Muslims and non-Muslims alike has more rights and power in Israel than all other Arab states combined. Only if you're an Israeli citizen. If you're Palestinian, you're liable to be kicked out of your house by the Israeli governmen…

Exactly. If Israel were an apartheid state, then even the Arabs living inside Israel would not have rights.

Nope, its not about having rights. That the comic version of apartheid.

Its about being an equal partner in the society to jointly and equally decide what are the rights and obligations of each member.

And that is a threshold Israel can never achieve. The Jewish majority unilaterally decides what the role of the Arabs are.

For example, the Jewish majority has, unilaterally and without explanation, decided that their Arabs countrymen are not fit for the obligation of conscription, for the privilege of defending Israel.

And we all know why.

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